Post-trib Moments 1-10
By Pastor Steven L Anderson
October 22, 2012
Post-trib Moments - Introduction
Hello, Pastor Steven Anderson here with Faithful Word Baptist Church in Phoenix, Arizona, to tell you about an exciting new film that's coming out on December 21st, of this year, 2012. It's called "After the Tribulation". And this is a documentary that just destroys the myth of the pre-tribulation rapture. I mean it just proves up one side and down the other that the rapture is definitely going to happen AFTER the tribulation. It's going to be an awesome film, it's being produced by the makers of "What in the World Are They Spraying?", and "The Great Culling: Our Water". "The Great Culling" just came out this week, I just got a DVD in the mail, because I pre-ordered it, and I've watched it a few times, and it is an excellent film, and so I would highly recommend it. It exposes the deception behind the water fluoridation and the poisons that are being put into our tap water. And so I would highly recommend you to watch that film, "The Great Culling".
But two months from now, "After the Tribulation" comes out, sixty days from now. And for the next sixty days I'm going to put out a series of short little videos that I'm going to call "Post-Trib Moments", there's going to be "Post-Trib Moment 1", "Post-Trib Moment 2", 3, 4 etc all the way up to 60. And in these 60 short little videos, I'm going to either teach the Post-tribulation rapture from scripture, just in one short scripture per day, or I'm going to use scripture and use Biblical truths to demolish some aspect of the Pre-tribulation rapture doctrine. And so I hope you'll watch these videos, especially if you believe in the Pre-Tribulation rapture, I encourage you to watch a couple of these videos, and really watch all sixty of them. And really I would be SHOCKED if you could watch all sixty of these videos, and still believe in the Pre-Tribulation rapture. It'll shock me. The only way I could explain it is that maybe you're not being honest with yourself if you watch all sixty and you still believe in it. So, please tune in to these videos, they're just going to be a couple of minutes each, very short, and each one is going to be packed with a Biblical truth. And I believe that any ONE of these sixty videos is really enough to demolish the Pre-tribulation rapture. And so December 21st 2012, forget the stupid Mayan calender, you know, the big event that's happening on that day is the release of this film.
Post-trib Moment #1 - Christ's Return is NOT at Hand
Today I want to talk to you about 2nd Thessalonians 2, because this is the chapter where the Bible warns us about this deception, this lie that Jesus Christ can come back at any moment. And he warns us not to be deceived. Let me read it for you from 2nd Thessalonians 2. The Bible reads "Now we beseech you brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and by our gathering together unto him, that ye be not soon shaken in mind or be troubled neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by ANY means, for THAT DAY SHALL NOT COME, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped, so that he as god sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."
And so right here, the Bible warns us that people are going to come to us and LIE to us and try to deceive us into thinking that "the day of Christ is at hand!", and that "He can come at any moment!" But he says "don't be deceived because that day shall NOT come, EXCEPT there come a falling away first, AND the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition. And he talks about how he is going to basically go in the temple of God, and claim to be God. You know, the time when that happens, the Bible is clear, is right at the time of the abomination of desolation, when the anti-Christ receives a deadly wound, his deadly wound is healed. And he sets up this image of himself, and everyone has to bow down and worship this image, they have to worship the anti-Christ, and they have to give him the glory that's only due unto God. The Bible says "Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve". But people are going to have to worship Him as God, and he is going to claim to be God. And the Bible is teaching us here, that that has to happen FIRST, before the day of Christ.
So he says anybody that tells you the day of Christ is at hand is a liar, they're a deceiver. Because, FIRST, there has to come a falling away and the man of sin has to be revealed. And those things haven't happened yet my friend. We have not yet seen the man of sin revealed. We have not yet seen him enter into the temple of God, and call himself God. We haven't seen any of that, and so therefore Jesus Christ's coming CANNOT be at hand, and it cannot happen at any moment, and guess what? It's not going to happen until after the tribulation.
Post-trib Moment #2 - Modern Perversions of the Bible
"Now we beseech you brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, thar ye be not soon shaken in mind or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by ANY means, for THAT DAY SHALL NOT COME, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition." Now what's interesting is that all the modern Bible versions, they all change and corrupt this passage. Because this is such a powerful passage that just destroys the pre-tribulation rapture. Because what do those who believe in the pre-tribulation rapture say?
They say "oh, Jesus Christ can come back at any moment. He might come back tonight, he might come back before the end of this service." Well this passage completely destroys that and exposes it as a deception. So what have the modern versions done? Well, they've changed this passage, they pervert it. Let me show you one example, and this is only one example. But the ESV, and this is a pretty popular Bible, I've changed the name on mine to the "Extremely Stupid Version", okay, I don't know if you can read that. But, let me read for you out of the ESV what 2nd Thessalonians 2 says. It says this... "Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you brothers not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit, or by a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord HAS COME."
So here in the ESV. The deception that God's warning us about is someone telling us that the day of Christ has already happened, that the day of Christ has come. Whereas in the King James Bible, he's warning us that the deception is, that people will come along telling us that the day of Christ is at hand, that it can come at any time, at any moment. And he says "don't be decieved, because x y and z has to happen FIRST." And those things haven't happened yet my friend.
Post-trib Moment #3 - Comfort One Another with These Words
Today I want to start out by reading for you the most famous rapture passage in the entire Bible, 1st Thessalonians chapter 4. The Bible reads, beginning in verse 13 "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words."
Now the part that I want to focus on is that last verse, verse 18 that says "wherefore comfort one another with these words." Now I've heard a lot of pre-trib people say "well, if you believe that Christians are going to go through the tribulation, then this is not a very comforting passage, that's not comforting to go through the tribulation." But you have to get the context here of what the comfort is. The first verse that I just read for you, verse 13 said "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are ASLEEP, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope." The Bible here is talking about those who are asleep in Jesus. Those loved ones, those Christians that have already gone to be with the Lord, he is saying "I don't want you to sorrow for them like those who have no hope, because if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him."
And he brings up the dead in Christ or those that sleep in Jesus in every single verse here, from verse 13 to verse 18. That's why he says "wherefore comfort one another with these words." That's why this is a popular passage at funerals. Because people will often bring this up at a funeral, that we will see our loved one again if they're a believer, and if we're saved, we're going to be re-united with them. And this is not mentioning the tribulation whatsoever! There's no mention here of, "let's comfort you and tell you you're not going to go through the tribulation. You know, the comfort is that you're not going to suffer." That's not what it's saying at all. The comfort is that you're going to see you're loved ones again.
Post-trib Moment #4 - The Rapture in Matthew 24
Today I want to read for you one of the clearest passages that just explicitly spells out a post- tibulation rapture, a rapture that comes after the tribulation. Mathew 24, beginning in verse 29. "Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. And THEN shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven, and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory, and he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."
Now, we see in this passage certain elements that make it very clear that this is about the rapture. Because of course those who are believing in a pre-trib rapture don't want to admit that this is about the rapture. So, they try to say "oh, this is a different event altogether." Well, look at the elements that are in this passage. We've got Jesus Christ coming in the clouds, we've got a trumpet sounding, and we've got Jesus Christ gathering together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. It says in Mark 13 just in slightly different wording when it says "from the uttermost part of earth to the uttermost part of heaven." And so this is clearly the rapture. The Bible says that Jesus comes in the clouds, he gathers the elect, the trumpet sounds... This is exactly what we saw in 1st Thessalonians chapter 4.
Post-trib Moment #5 - No Man Knoweth the Day nor the Hour
How many times have we heard preachers say that "Jesus Christ can come at any moment, he may even come before the end of this service! No man knoweth the day or the hour, therefore he can come at ANY moment, we need to be ready for him to come at any time." Well let's see if that's really true. Let's go to that scripture that they bring up, that says "no man knoweth the day or the hour." It's found in Mathew 24. And the Bible reads in verse 36, "But of THAT day and hour knoweth no man, no not the angels of heaven, but my Father only", and then if you go down to verse 42 he says "watch therefore for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come."
Now these verses are very clearly telling us that no man knows the day or the hour of Christ's coming, therefore we should watch and be ready. Now, if you just back up a few verses though, it says in verse 29, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken, AND THEN shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven, and THEN shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory, and he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other", then he says AFTER that, "but of THAT day and hour knoweth no man".
So it's funny, that a pre-trib person would point to this verse to say "See? He can come at any moment, it says that no man knoweth the day or the hour, but they don't bother to read the context, that it comes after the tribulation, according to verses 29 through 31. And if you read 29, all the way down to 36, you can come to no other conclusion than when he says "but of that day and hour knoweth no man", he is referring back to the day that's talked about in verses 29 through 31, that comes AFTER the tribulation. So, do we know the day or the hour of Christ's coming? No. But one thing we do know for sure... Christ coming in the clouds, with the trumpet, to gather his elect, that we will be gathered together unto him, it's coming AFTER the tribulation, that's what we know for sure. We don't know the day or the hour, but we know it's coming after the tribulation. It's hypocrisy for someone to take that verse, about "no man knoweth the day or the hour", and try to use that to promote a pre-trib rapture, when a few verses earlier he finishes telling us that that day is AFTER the tribulation.
Post-trib Moment #6 - The Elect will NOT be Deceived
Now a lot of times people will attack the clear rapture passage in Mathew 4 that tells us that the rapture comes AFTER the tribulation. They will try to attack it by saying "well, the Bible talks about Jesus coming in the clouds and the trumpet sounding, and him gathering together his elect", they will say "well the elect there, that's not believers, that's talking about the Jews." Now, first of all, all you have to do to figure out that that's false is to just look up every time the word elect is used in the Bible. And you will see it's always talking about believers. And over and over again, he refers specifically to gentiles, to the Thessalonians, to all manner of gentiles as "the elect". He tells us that there's neither Jew nor gentile in Christ, and that we are the elect. And I would strongly encourage you, if you haven't done so to look up every mention of the term "elect", and you will see it's talking about believers.
But, just to show you in this exact chapter, how the elect cannot be referring to the Jews... If we just back up a few verses in Mathew 24 itself, it says in verse 24 "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch that IF IT WERE POSSIBLE, they shall deceive the very elect". So the Bible talks about that in the end times there will be false prophets and false Christs that are going to be so convincing that if it were possible, they would even deceive the very elect. Meaning that it is not possible for the elect to be deceived by false Christs and false prophets. He said "IF IT WERE POSSIBLE, they would be deceived", because these guys will be so slick, they'll be so convincing. But it's NOT possible.
Well ask yourself this question. If "the elect", is referring to the Jews in Mathew 24, are the Jews being deceived by false Christs and false prophets today? Absolutely. By and large the Jews do not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. The Bible says "Who is a liar, but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ. He is anti-Christ, that denieth the Father and the Son. And so therefore those who deny that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, those who deny that Jesus is the Christ, the Bible says that they are anti-Christ. You see in order to believe that Jesus is not the Christ, you have to believe that there is a Christ- the word "Christ" means "Messiah"- You have to believe that there is a Christ, and that Christ is not Jesus. Well, who fits that bill? The Jews believe that the Messiah is still coming. They believe that Jesus is not the Christ. The Bible says "Who is a liar, but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ, he is anti-Christ that denieth the Father and the Son." Therefore these Jewish so-called "rabbis", who teach their people that Jesus is not the Messiah, that Jesus is not the Christ, the Bible says that they are anti-Christ.
So when the Bible tells us here, that the elect will not be deceived by false prophets and false Christs, that can't be talking about the Jews, because the Jews are the most deceived people on this earth when it comes to the Christ, and a false Christ, and a false gospel, and a false prophet. Because they believe that Jesus is not the Christ. They're being deceived by all kinds of rabbis and false teachers and their false religion of Judaism. But, let's go with the normal Biblical interpretation, look at all the other mentions of elect, it's talking about believers. Now does it make sense to say that believers will not be deceived by false Christ's and false prophets? Of course it makes perfect sense. Jesus said "My sheep hear my voice, they will not follow another, a stranger will they flee from for they know not the voice of strangers." The Bible tells us that the believer has the Holy Spirit living inside of him, which will guide him into all truth. Believers on the Lord Jesus Christ will not be deceived by the anti-Christ, they will not be deceived by false Christs and false prophets. The Jews on the other hand are already very deceived.
Post-trib Moment #7 - Mark 13 is Speaking to all (Verse 37)
Today I want to talk about Mark chapter 13, and I'm going to start reading in verse number 24, the Bible reads "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven." So this is a passage that clearly tells us that the rapture takes place after the tribulation because he says after the tribulation, the Son of Man- Jesus Christ- will come in the clouds and that he will gather his elect from the uttermost part of the earth, to the uttermost part of the heaven. And if we compare this with Mathew 24, we also know that this is going to be a trumpet sounding at this time, because it's the exact same parallel passage. So it's not hard to see that this is the rapture in Mark 13.
But what I've heard my whole life, whenever I try to show people this passage in Mark 13 or the passage in Mathew 24 is "Well that's talking to the Jews. You're not differentiating the church from Israel, that's talking to the Jews." And it's almost as if Jesus Christ knew that people would try to preach that false doctrine that "this is only talking to the Jews". So he put in this little verse at the very end of Mark 13. The last verse in Mark 13 says this... "And what I say unto you, I say unto all, watch'." It's almost as if Jesus Christ knew... and of course we know that he did know! And so I believe that he put this here, so that we could disprove this lying teaching that says "well Mark 13 is only talking to the Jews." He says, "Well okay, I'll throw a verse on the end of the chapter that just flat out says what I say unto you, I say unto ALL. Watch." And so what I want to say to these that believe in a pre-trib rapture that say that Mark 13 is not talking to us, but that it's rather talking to the Jews, what part of all don't you understand? When he says, "what I say unto you, I say unto all, watch."
Post-trib Moment #8 - Simon the Canaanite and Luke 21
Today I want to talk about Luke chapter 21, and I just want to start reading in verse 25 where the Bible reads "And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken." And of course that is the same that we saw in Mathew 24 and Mark 13 about the sun and moon being darkened, the stars falling from the sky, the tribes of the earth mourning, and the powers of heaven being shaken. But listen to the next verse. It says in verse 28, "And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh."
So right there, he tells us that when we see the sun and moon darkened, at that point we should look up, and lift up our heads for our redemption draweth nigh. Now a lot of people will say "well, Luke 21 is not talking toe us as believers, he's talking to the Jews", well, he was talking to his disciples, at this time, he's talking to the twelve disciples. And people will say "well yeah, but they were all Jewish." Oh, you mean Simon that Canaanite? It's funny how people will say that when Jesus is talking to his disciples in Luke 21, "He's talking to them as a picture of the nation of Israel because they were all Jews". No they were not all Jews. The Bible is very careful to tell us that one of Jesus' disciples was not a Jew, but rather he was a Canaanite, he was "Simon the Canaanite", he was a proselyte into the Jewish religion, he was obviously circumcised as the book of Esther says many people BECAME Jews.
But ethnically, the Bible tells us clearly that he was a Canaanite. Somebody once told me "well, he was just from Canaan, but he was ethnically a Jew." Well, the whole land of Israel is Canaan! That whole area is called Canaan, the promised land is called Canaan. The reason that he is called a Canaanite is because ethnically he descended from the man Canaan, from the nation of the Canaanites, from before the children of Israel took over that land. And so not only did Jesus Christ speak to this group that included Simon the Canaanite, BUT, other passages where Jesus spoke to his twelve disciples, these same people who believe in a pre-trib rapture will always say "he was talking to the CHURCH in this passage". For example the great commission, he's talking to the same men when he gives the great commission and people say the great commission is given unto the church. But it's the same group.
Okay, what about the last supper? Jesus Christ celebrated the last supper with these very men, the disciples. And yet when they look at a passage on the last supper, they'll say "oh, communion, the Lord's supper, is something that is for the CHURCH to celebrate, see that's the church there, these 12 guys are the CHURCH", when he gives the great commission, it's "the church", and then when he preaches on end times prophecy in Mathew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21... All of a sudden, they hypocritically change their stance and say "No". Suddenly these 12 men represent the nation of Israel, or the Jews, or "he's not talking to Christians, he's talking to Jews." No, he's talking to the saints. He's talking to believers. And in Mark 13:37 he said "what I say unto you, I say unto all, watch."
Post-trib Moment #9 - No Pre-trib Rapture Taught before 1830
question, where did this doctrine come from? Well, first of all, it was never taught before the year 1830 that there is any record of whatsoever. And believe me, there are a lot of books, commentaries, theological treatises, tracts, sermons, pamphlets that were written before 1830 that still exist today. 1830 wasn't really that long ago, and there's all kinds of documentation of what people believe, what they preach. There are all kinds of theological works. And yet not one scrap of paper before the year 1830 that teaches a pre-tribulation rapture.
Now, I've seen s lot of people will try to pretend that someone taught it before 1830. I googled the history of the pre-tribulation rapture, and there were all these websites with people saying "I've got proof that someone taught it before 1830!" But when you click on it, it's a joke, because I clicked on most of them and they just said "well here's people that taught pre-millenialism before 1830." Well, we're not talking about pre-millenial! We're talking about pre-tribulation rapture. I believe that rapture is before the millenium, so does any Bible believing Christian. But this pre-tribulation rapture was never taught before 1830. I clicked on another one and they said "oh, here's a baptist from the late 1700's, he preached the pre-tribulation rapture. I clicked on it and read the quotes, and he was saying that the rapture happens when Jesus Christ comes in the clouds approximately 3 and a half years before the millenium. That's not a pre-trib rapture! because I believe that the rapture happens approximately three and a half years before the millenium. But that is not pre-tribulation doctrine, because the pre-tribulation doctrine teaches that Christ comes in the clouds 7 years before the millenium.
And so the pre-tribulation rapture crowd is really grasping at straws, and really scrambling to find somebody who taught this before 1830. But it's not out there, it doesn't even exist. Now the Bible tells us in Hebrew 13:9, "Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace, not with meats which hath not profited them that have been occupied therein." And so, the pre-tribulation rapture is a divers and strange doctrine because it's completely foreign to scripture, that's why no-one even THOUGHT of it, until around the year 1830, there's no evidence that anyone even dreamed of such a thing, because it is so foreign to scripture.
Post-trib Moment #10 - Darby Damned
So who began preaching the pre-tribulation rapture anyway? Well the first preacher on record to have ever taught the pre-tribulation rapture was a man by the name of John Nelson Darby. Now John Nelson Darby started preaching this in the 1830's, and he's known as the father of modern dispensationalism. What's interesting about him is that later on he would go on to put out his own version of the Bible. It's called "the Darby Translation". And in this version, he severely corrupted God's word. He removed entire verses, removed entire phrases from the Bible, he tampered with key doctrines, like for example Luke 2:33, he calls Joseph Jesus' Father, basically, attacking the doctrine of the deity of Jesus Christ and the virgin birth, which the King James Bible carefully teaches us in Luke chapter 2 verse 33. But he also tampered with passages that have to do with the end times. 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2, one of the most damning scriptures to the pre-tribulation doctrine, he completely re-wrote it to prop up his doctrine, and to hide the fact that the Bible warns us about this deception.
And so I can guarantee you one thing. John Nelson Darby is burning in Hell right now, because the Bible says this is revelation 22 verse 18, "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book. If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book, and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." The Bible is clear, that when an unsaved man, a false prophet, a false teacher, when they begin to remove from and add to God's word, their fate is sealed. The Bible says they will be damned. Their part is removed from the book of life, and from the holy city, all the plagues of the book of Revelation are added unto them. And so anyone who tampers with the word of God loses their opportunity to ever get saved.
Now of course I don't believe a person can lose their salvation. The Bible is clear when Jesus said "I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." But when an unsaved person tampers with God's word, adds to or removes from, the Bible says they can NEVER be saved. They've lost their opportunity to be saved, the part where their name would have even been in the book of life is GONE. And so, I don't believe that a saved person would ever add to or remove from God's word. That's something that a wicked, reprobate false prophet, or false teacher would do. No man speaking by the spirit of God calleth Jesus Christ accursed, and no man who has the holy spirit living inside of them is going to set out to remove from and add to God's word, like a Joseph Smith, who added another testament of Jesus Christ, that's all lies. John Nelson Darby added to and took from God's word in HUNDREDS of places. He took out entire verses from the Bible. He twisted passages to support his pre-tribulation rapture doctrine. 2nd Thessalonians 2 for example. And therefore, he is burning in hell, he's been damned.