Post-trib Moments 11-20
By Pastor Steven L Anderson
November 1, 2012
Post-trib Moment #11 - Job 14:12 "Till the heavens be no more..."
Today I want to talk about Job Chapter 14 verse 12. The Bible reads "So man lieth down and riseth not till the heavens be no more. They shall not awake nor be raised out of their sleep." So this verse is very clearly stating that those who've died will not be resurrected, they will not live again until the heavens be no more. Let me read it for you again. "So man lieth down and riseth not till the heavens be no more. They shall not awake nor be raised out of their sleep." So when the Bible talks about believers who've died, it talks about them being asleep, their body is asleep. And the reason for that is that the believer never truly dies. The Bible says "Whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die." And of course when believers physically die their body is asleep in the earth, but their soul goes to heaven and they're still alive with the Lord in Heaven. This verse gives the timing of when that first resurrection will take place because remember when the rapture happens, the Bible says "the dead in Christ shall rise FIRST, then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with Him in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so shall we ever be with the Lord." So the Bible tells us in Job 14:12 that that is not going to happen, until "the heavens be no more."
Now, let's see if that's consistent with a pre-tribulational rapture. Of course, the Bible says in Mathew 24 that AFTER the tribulation the sun and moon will be darkened, and then Jesus comes in the clouds with the trumpet and the rapture. Well in Revelation 6 we read about the sun and moon being darkened. Let me read it for you. The Bible reads in Revelation 6:12 "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and lo, there was a great earthquake and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood, and the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs when she is shaken of a mighty wind", watch verse 14, "and the heaven DEPARTED as a scroll when it is rolled together, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places." So that's the exact event that we read about in Job 14:12 when the Bible says that man lies in the earth, man is asleep, "and does not live again till the heavens be no more. They shall not awake nor be raised out of their sleep." That is the EXACT timing given in Mathew 24, Mark 13, and Revelation 6. Sun and moon are darkened, heaven departs as a scroll, heavens be no more, and then the dead in Christ rise first.
Post-trib Moment #12 - The Day of the Lord in 1 Thessalonians 5
Now 1st Thessalonians chapter 4 is a pretty famous passage, but most people don't continue reading and get to 1st Thessalonians chapter 5. Of course, 1st Thessalonians 4 ends with the famous rapture passage that says "then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with him in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air, and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. BUT of the times and the seasons brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you." And let me point out, that chapter 5 begins with a conjunction. The word "but" is a conjunction. That means we're continuing the same thought that we just finished in the previous verse. He says "BUT, I just told you about the rapture, being caught up in the clouds, BUT..." "Of the times and the seasons brethren, you have no need that I write unto you." Now it's obvious based upon the word "but", that when he says "the times and the seasons brethren, you have no need that I write unto you", he's referring to the times and the seasons of the rapture, because that's what he just told us about.
The first resurrection, and the rapture, and he says "BUT, of the times and the seasons brethren, you have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night." So again, verse 2 starts with a conjunction, this is all one thought. The rapture is explained, and he says "BUT of the times and the seasons brethren, you have no need that I write unto you, for yourselves know perfectly that the DAY OF THE LORD so cometh as a thief in the night." So that right there shows us that the timing of the day of the Lord is the same timing as the day of the rapture. Because he tells us about the rapture, and he says "I don't have to tell you about the times and the seasons brethren of that day, because you already know that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night." Now, if the day of the Lord took place a different time than the rapture took place, that wouldn't make any sense! But obviously they must take place at the same time for him to use it in the same thought right there, to say "the timing of what I just told you about is the same as the timing of the day of the Lord, and you know that that is going to come as a thief in the night."
And it's funny because a lot of pre-trib rapture believers will even use that term "thief in the night", to refer to the rapture. Because it IS referring to the day of the Lord which is going to happen on the same day as the rapture. Now, the day of the Lord is a day of judgement and wrath upon this earth. But, that wrath is going to begin to be poured out on the same day that the rapture takes place. So obviously we're not going to be the ones experiencing God's wrath, we're going to be caught up in the clouds before He pours out His wrath, but those events still happen on the same day. The rapture and the day of the Lord, are both going to take place on the same day. And what's significant about that, is that the sun and moon must be darkened before the day of the Lord come, that's exactly consistent with what we saw in Mathew 24, when the Bible said the sun and moon will be darkened, then Jesus comes in the clouds with the sound of the trumpet.
Post-trib Moment #13 - The Tribulation is NOT God's Wrath
I've often asked those who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture to show me one verse in the Bible that actually uses the word tribulation to support their doctrine, to prove their doctrine. Just one verse that says anything about the rapture coming before the tribulation or pre-trib rapture, that actually uses the word "tribulation" in it. And of course out of all the 22 mentions of the word tribulation in the New Testament, none of them even comes close, and so they can NEVER point you to a verse that uses the word "tribulation". So therefore, they will point you to verses that use the word "wrath" instead. Well, I'm going to prove to you today that God's wrath is not poured out during the tribulation. The tribulation has nothing to do with God's wrath, and I'll prove that to you. In Mathew 24:29, the Bible reads "Immediately after the tribulation of those days, shall the sun be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken."
So that right there states that AFTER the tribulation is when the sun and moon will be darkened. Well, if we go to Revelation chapter 6 where we read about the sun and moon being darkened, the Bible reads, in verse number 12, "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and lo there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood, and the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places, and the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and every mighty man, and every bondman and every freeman hid themselves in the dens and in the mountains in the rocks. And said to the mountains and rocks, fall on us and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the WRATH of the lamb", watch this, "for the great DAY of his WRATH IS COME, and who shall be able to stand?" So right after the sun and moon are darkened, all of the men of this earth, all of the unsaved, they say to the mountains and rocks "fall on us", and they said this... "For the great day of his WRATH IS COME, and who shall be able to stand." Now, it's very important that the King James Bible says "IS come", the modern version will change this to "HAS come". But the Bible says that on that day when the sun and moon are darkened, they will say "hide us from his wrath, for the great day of his wrath is come", meaning it is arrived just now, it is just now arrived. Now what does that mean? Well, that means that according to Revelation 6, God's wrath does not come until AFTER the sun and moon are darkened. Well in Mathew 24, we saw that the sun and moon were darkened AFTER the tribulation.
So think about it folks, if the tribulation comes before the sun and moon are darkened, and the wrath doesn't start being poured out until AFTER the tribulation, how can those two things be the same thing? When one comes BEFORE the sun and moon are darkened, and the other comes after? And it's even more clear when you go into chapter 7, and God tells the angels in verse 3 saying "hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads." So right there in chapter 7, the Bible makes it clear that before the sun and moon being darkened, God has not hurt the earth, or hurt the trees at all. Of course, NOW, that we're into God's wrath as we get into chapters 8, 9, 10 and 11, He's going to be hurting all kinds of trees! He's raining fire and brimstone, He's turning water into blood, He's sending locusts from hell. But, that hasn't happened yet. NONE of God's wrath is poured out until after the sun and moon are darkened, and the sun and moon are not darkened until AFTER the tribulation.
Post-trib Moment #14 - He Who Now Letteth Will Let
Today I want to talk about 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 verse 7 which I've often been shown by those who believe in the pre-trib rapture, and this is a verse that they believe is very clear evidence that the rapture comes before the tribulation. Let me read it for you and you can be the judge. The Bible says in 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 verse 7, "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work, only he who now letteth will let until he be taken out of the way, and then shall that wicked be revealed whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming." Well there you have it folks, crystal clear right? I mean that verse just teaches a pre- trib rapture, I don't understand how you don't see it viewer. Well actually I'm just kidding, I don't see it either because it's not there. The Bible says "he who now letteth will let until he be taken out of the way." It's a pretty vague verse for these pre-tribbers to be resting their entire doctrine upon.
Now, you say "Pastor Anderson, how do they even get a pre-trib rapture out of that verse?" Well, it's easy. They get it from Scofield's notes. In the Scofield reference Bible he "explains" that "he who now letteth is the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit has to be taken out of the way before the antichrist can be revealed, and since the Holy Spirit lives inside believers, that means believers have to be taken from this earth, in order for the Holy Spirit to be removed, then the antichrist can be revealed. And so the Holy Spirit is restraining the antichrist, and so believers have to be removed." Now look, let me explain to you why this is completely unbiblical, and blasphemous and false doctrine. First of all, the Holy Spirit is God. You cannot just take God out of the way, He's God, He's everywhere! The Bible says that if we ascend into heaven, He's there, if we make our bed in hell, He's there, if we go down to the depths of the sea, the Bible says the Spirit of God is there. The Spirit of God is everywhere, the Spirit of God IS God. Now, you can't take Him out of the way, He's God. And so to say "well believers are going to be taken, because the Holy Spirit has got to be taken", that's a BIG, big stretch, and it's also blasphemous, to say you're going to take God out of the way, and it's also just not in the verse at all, there's no mention of the Holy Spirit.
And that's what leads me to my next point. You know the pronoun "he" there, is taking the place of a noun, pronouns take the place of a noun. And every pronoun has what's called an "antecedent", a word that comes before it to tell us what that pronoun is. You see, if you just start using the word "he" with someone and you haven't told them who you're talking about, you're going to confuse whoever you're talking to. First, you mention the person's name. I might say, "I have a friend named Dave, HE is a computer programmer." But I'm not just going to walk up to someone and say "He is a computer programmer.", unless I'm pointing to that person, or I've mentioned them previously, which is known as the antecedent. Well, here is the problem. The Holy Spirit is never mentioned in 1st Thessalonians 1 or 1st Thessalonians 2 up to this point, there's been no mention of the Holy Spirit. So, how can we just assume that the word "he" is referring to the Holy Spirit, when the Holy Spirit has not been mentioned in the passage whatsoever! Now, the man of sin has been mentioned, and that's actually who the "he" is referring to, the "he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way", it's talking about the man of sin being killed, because he receives a deadly wound and if you remember, his deadly wound is healed.
But the Bible says he is wounded to death, and in Revelation 17 it says that he ascends out of the bottomless pit. And of course that's a whole other sermon, and I've preached on that and explained that many times. But the bottom line is, the Holy Spirit is not mentioned, the man of sin is. And so the "he", in verse 7, cannot be referring to the Holy Spirit because He is not mentioned, number 1, and number 2, the Holy Spirit can't be taken out of the way because He is God. Man can be taken out of the way, but God can't. And so, this is a very, very weak proof of a pre- trib rapture, in fact, it's no proof at all. But these are the kind of things that pre-tribbers have to use, because there's little scripture that they can even twist to support their doctrine. This is the best they can do folks. 2nd Thessalonians 2. Here's the best they can do for a clear scripture. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work, only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way." Of course those that believe in a Post-trib rapture have crystal clear scriptures in Mathew 24, Mark 13, Luke 17, Luke 21, and on and on and on.
Post-trib Moment #15 - Through Much Tribulation Enter into the Kingdom of God
Today I want to talk about Acts 14:22. This is one of the numerous New Testament mentions of the tribulation. And I encourage anyone who believes in the pre-tribulation rapture to just look up all 22 times that the word "tribulation" is used in the New Testament. And if you can walk away and still believe in the pre-trib rapture after reading all 22 of those, I don't know what to tell you. But here's one of them. In Acts 14:22 the Bible reads "Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must THROUGH MUCH TRIBULATION enter into the kingdom of God." So yet again, the Bible is talking about believers going through much tribulation. Not escaping tribulation, not being spared from tribulation. And again, tribulation is not God's wrath. The Bible says "For God has not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ." But over and over again in the New Testament, he talks about believers going through tribulation. And here it even says that "we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God." He didn't say, "you'll be raptured out before the tribulation", because there's no such verse in the Bible, but He did say that we would through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God, Acts 14:22.
Post-trib Moment #16 - The 24 Elders in Heaven do NOT prove a Pre-Tribulation Rapture
Today I want to talk about "the 24 elders". Now, "the 24 elders" are mentioned in Revelation chapters 4 and 5. You say "well who are these elders?" Well, the Bible uses the word "elder throughout the New Testament, and it's used synonymously with the word "Bishop" or "Pastor". So these 24 elders are basically 24 pastors, or 24 bishops, to use the more biblical term. And the Bible talks about these 24 elders being up in heaven in Revelation 4 and 5, before the first seal is even opened. And so a lot of pre-tribbers have pointed to this and said "see this is PROOF of a pre-trib rapture". Of course, even though there is no mention of the rapture in the book of Revelation up unto this point, but they say "well, just the fact that these 24 elders are even in heaven, that proves that the rapture has taken place" and then some of them have even said "the four beasts they also represent those that are saved". Of course, they're animals, but somehow they think that the beasts are also indicative of Christians being up in heaven, because they've been raptured.
But here's the thing that I want to explain. The fact that the 24 elders are in heaven in chapters 4 and 5 does not teach a pre-trib rapture because I've got news for you, there are MILLIONS of people in heaven RIGHT NOW! And the rapture hasn't taken place yet! In fact, if I die tonight, I'll be in heaven. So saying that because the 24 elders are up there, that proves the rapture is taking place, that doesn't prove it at all, because guess what? Everybody who is saved, who has died, is already up in heaven right now, long before the rapture. And you say "well, but the Bible talks about you know, how they have white raiment, they're wearing clothes, they have crowns on their heads, so if they're dressed in white raiment and have crowns on their heads, that must be after the rapture because they're physically there."
Well, wrong. Because in Revelation chapter 6, the Bible says in verse 9 "And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar, THE SOULS of them that were slain for the Word of God and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice saying, how long o Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth", and watch this in verse 11, "And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled." So the fact that the 24 elders are up in heaven in Revelation 4 and 5 proves nothing. Because there are millions of people already in heaven, that doesn't mean that the rapture has taken place. That doesn't mean that their bodies have been resurrected and changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye. Even when the souls of those that were beheaded by the antichrist were in heaven in Revelation 6:11, they were given white robes, they put on a white robe, even though they had not been bodily resurrected at that time. So the 24 elders do not prove a pre-trib rapture.
Post-trib Moment #17 - It is Well with My Soul - Post Trib Hymn
Today I want to talk about a hymn out of the hymnal and that hymn is "It Is Well With My Soul", it's one of my favourite songs. And what I like the most about it is that it's very clear that the author of the hymn understood the post-tribulation rapture. That's not surprising, since the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine is a pretty new doctrine, and most of the hymns in the hymnal are pretty old, so most of the people who wrote these hymns obviously believed that the rapture came after the tribulation. And it's very clear when you read the words of the song that that's what the hymn writer believed. Let's read the last verse of the song "It Is Well With My Soul". And Lord haste the day when my faith shall be sight, the clouds be rolled back as a scroll, the trump shall resound, and the Lord shall descend, even so it is well with my soul."
Now, there are two things in that verse that prove that whoever whoever wrote that understood the rapture was post-tribulational, that it came after the tribulation. And of course pre-trib rapture churches all over America sing this song all the time, and it just goes right over their head apparently what this is teaching. Because there are two things. First of all, the song equates the day when we see Jesus Christ and the trump sounds, and the day that we're waiting for "Lord haste the day when my faith shall be sight", the song equates that with the clouds being rolled back as a scroll. You say "what's the significance of that?" Well that's directly taken from Revelation chapter 6, AFTER THE TRIBULATION and the sun and moon are darkened, after the sixth seal is opened, the Bible says that the sun and moon are darkened, verse 13, "and the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, even when she is shaken of a mighty wind", listen to verse 14, "and the HEAVENS DEPARTED AS A SCROLL when it is rolled together."
And so right there the song is referring to the events of the sixth seal, when the sun and moon are darkened, and the heavens depart as a scroll when it is rolled together. They say in the song that we are looking forward to that day when the clouds will be rolled back as a scroll, the trump shall resound- of course in Mathew 24 it says the sun and moon are darkened, the trumpet sounds, Jesus comes in the clouds- the trump shall resound and then the song says "and the Lord shall descend, EVEN SO, it is well with my soul. And the "even so" is in quotes. Well, "even so" comes from Revelation chapter 1 verse 7 when the Bible says "Behold, He cometh with clouds, and EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM, and they also which pierced him, and all kindred of the earth shall wail because of him, even so, Amen." Now of course those who believe in a pre-trib rapture, they don't believe that Revelation 1:7 is about the rapture. Because it talks about every eye seeing him, it talks about the kindreds of the world wailing because of him, that's not compatible with everybody disappearing, and everybody wondering "where is everybody?" The so-called "secret rapture" that pre-tribbers believe in, is not compatible with Revelation 1:7. Yet the songwriter of "It Is Well With My Soul", tied both Revelation 1:7, AND Revelation 6:14 to the rapture, those are both post-trib passages, it's a post-trib song.
Post-trib Moment #18 - Revelation 4:1 is NOT the Rapture
So where does the rapture occur in the book of Revelation? Well, if you ask those who believe in a pre-trib rapture, they'll tell you that the rapture occurs in Revelation 4:1. Let me read it for you. The Bible reads "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter." Now those who believe in the pre-trib rapture, they claim to interpret the Bible literally, but yet, they take a verse that's about ONE MAN being caught up to heaven to be shown the events of the book of Revelation, they say "that's the rapture of every believer." Now that's not a literal interpretation at all. They say "Well, but John symbolises the church there." Well, here's the problem with that, they forgot to read verse 2. The Bible says in verse 2 "And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne." Right there John makes it clear that he was not bodily caught up into heaven in Revelation 4:1, he was caught up in spirit. He did not even physically go to heaven! He was only caught up in spirit. And so this has nothing to do with the rapture, because the rapture is a BODILY resurrection.
The Bible says "the dead in Christ shall rise first, then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air". The Bible says "we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in a twinkling of an eye, at the last trump, the dead shall be raised incorruptible." Look, it's a bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ, and it's a physical changing of our bodies in a moment, in a twinkling of an eye. The resurrection or the rapture is a BODILY occurrence. It's not some kind of a spiritual rapture, we're not going to be raptured spiritually, we're going to be raptured bodily! The dead in Christ will caught up bodily. And Revelation 4:1 is talking about being in the spirit! This can't be talking about the rapture, it's ONE guy! It's being caught up in the spirit. And not only that, no trumpet sounds in this verse, he said he heard a voice "as it were of a trumpet". He's saying, "as if it were a trumpet." What he means is a loud voice. He heard a voice that sounded like a trumpet, but at the rapture it won't be a voice that sounds like a trumpet, it will be a trumpet. Not a voice that sounds like a trumpet, but a real trumpet. And so Revelation 4:1 is NOT the rapture AT ALL.
Post-trib Moment #19 - The Rapture in Revelation 7
Today I want to talk about one of the two places in the book of Revelation that mentions the rapture taking place. Now, those two places are Revelation 7 and Revelation 14. Today I want to show you Revelation 7. Just to give you the context, in Revelation 6, we saw all the same type of events as in Mathew 24. We see the antichrist coming on a white horse to conquer. We see wars, famines, pestilence, an earthquake, all the things that are in Mathew 24 and Mark 13. Then, in Mathew 24 the Bible says the sun and moon are darkened, and then Jesus comes in the clouds, the trumpet sounds, and he gathers up the elect. Well, as we're reading Revelation in chapter 6 and we see all those same events, we see the sun and moon darkened... we should expect that the next thing we are going to see is the rapture, because that's the order of events that Jesus Laid out in Mathew, Mark and Luke.
Well, let's see if it's there. Well it is there, it's in Revelation chapter 7, right after the sun and moon are darkened there. It starts in verse 9, the Bible reads "AFTER this, I beheld, and lo, a GREAT MULTITUDE, which no man could number, of ALL NATIONS and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the lamb, clothed with white robes and palms in their hands." Look at verse 13. "And one of the elders answered saying unto me, what are these which are arrayed in white robes", and here's the key, "and WHENCE CAME THEY?" "Whence came they?", in our modern vernacular is "where did they come from?", "whence" means "from where". He's saying "who are these people, and where did they come from?" Well if the elder who is showing John these things is asking "where'd these people come from?" He said "after this, I looked and there's this huge multitude! And then the elder asked me, who are these people? Where'd they come from?" That shows that they just showed up. That's why he's saying "where did they come from? Whence came they?" They just arrived.
Look what the answer is. "And I said unto him, sir, thou knowest." This is verse 14. "And he said unto me, these are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in His temple. And He that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more neither thirst any more, neither shall the sun light on them nor any heat. For the lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters, and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes." So there you have it folks. Right after the sun and moon are darkened in Revelation 6, in Revelation 7 we have a great multitude appearing in heaven! Out of nowhere! The elder is saying "where'd these people come from?" And there is so great of a multitude, no-one could number them. And the Bible numbers some pretty great multitudes. But the Bible says that this is a multitude that no man could number. And it was all kindreds, all nations, all tongues. Because it's every believer who has ever lived being caught up at the rapture, they suddenly appear in heaven. Isn't it interesting that right after the sun and moon are darkened in Revelation, a great multitude appears in heaven of MASSIVE size, it matches perfectly with Mathew 24, Mark 13, etc.
Post-trib Moment #20 - The Chronological Order of the Book of Revelation
The second place in Revelation describes the rapture is Revelation 14. You say "wait a minute Pastor Anderson, why would the Revelation describe the rapture back in chapter 7, and then all the way in chapter 14 again?" Well, that's easy because as you're reading the book of Revelation, it goes in chronological order. Chapters 1 through 11 are in perfectly chronological order. But then, when you get to chapter 12, all of a sudden you jump all the way back in time. And it's pretty obvious because when you start reading chapter 12, you're reading about the birth of Jesus Christ. Well that should tell you right away, we've gone back in time. And so you read about the birth of Christ, and then in chapter 13 you read about the tribulation, and then in chapter 14 you read about the rapture, and about God's wrath being poured out after the rapture, chapters 15 and 16 go into the seven vials of God's wrath and so on. So when you read the first half of Revelation, you start out in the first century AD with John on the Isle of Patmos, then you read about the events of the tribulation, then the rapture, then God's wrath is poured out. Well, guess what? In the second half it's the same order. In chapter 12 you're in the first century AD with the birth of Christ, then you read about the tribulation in chapter 13, the rapture is in chapter 14, the wrath is poured out after... So the order is always the same when you're reading the book of Revelation. It's always tribulation, then the rapture, then wrath. Well it's not different in chapter 14. In chapter 13, we have the tribulation, where the antichrist is forcing people to get a mark in their right hand or forehead to buy or sell, then in chapter 14, you have the rapture, 15 and 16 you have God's wrath.