"Burn that Way After All"


Februrary 17, 2017

Adam Fannin: They're not born that way. They will burn that way. This is what God says.

Audience: Yeah. That's right. Amen.

Johnny Nixon: Let us help you. Lets stop cursing the darkness and start shining the light. For free assistance email us at gethelp@bornthatway.org. Thank you.

S.M. Davis: Let me encourage you to get the book "Born That Way After All" and read it. You can also read many outstanding articles on Brother Nixon's website which is BornThatWay.org.

Bob Gray Sr: That is exactly how I feel about the author, and my friend, Johnny Nixon in Born That Way Ministries.

Pastor Anderson: Born That Way Ministries, just by the name, you can tell there's something wrong with this ministry. Born That Way Ministry, the book that it centers around is called "Born That Way After All."

Pastor Berzins: What do you think when you see ... Here is the book. It's called "Born That Way After All." What are you going to think that's about? Who is the one pushing the "Oh, we're born that way." We're born ... Who says that? It's the queer community. It's the sodomites. They're the ones that are making the claim. "Oh, we're born this way."

Female: I am gay. I was born gay.

Speaker 1: People born gay

female 2: Our new question.

Speaker 1: [inaudible 00:02:28] probably

Speaker 4: Just put your paws up because you were born this way baby.

Speaker 1: They're the ones that have been pushing, born that way, born that way, trying to get you to accept that this is the way that we are born. This is the way God made us. This is natural. This is normal because we were born that way and they come out with a book that says "born that way afterall" you're confirming that's true. Yes, they are born that way afterall and they say, oh that's not really what we're saying. Then why did you name your book that. Shouldn't we abstain from all appearance of evil, first of all but then they're spinned when you read the book

Pastor Anderson: They're teaching that the homosexuals were born that way. But they weren't born to be homosexuals. They were actually born to be eunuchs and they are just confused. That's all, they're just so little mixed up. What it is, is that God just didn't give these men desire for women because he just wanted them to be just be fully dedicated to him so they're suppose to be just be celibates. They're born to be celibates and they just accidentally became a homo.

Speaker 1: so if a person is born and doesn't have a desire for that which God created him to have a desire for. Pray, tell me, why he have a desire for a safety tank. If he doesn't desire that which God created, which is perfect and fit for him, he designed for him, it fits like a cloth for him but he wants to play in a safety tank. Do you see the stupidity in this nonsense.

Johnny Nixon: So if you've got the book, I just want to show you some excerpts from this book, just to show you what it's about. Why am I attracted to the same sex? This is the question I'm asked by many eunuchs.

Pastor Anderson: the reason why you're asked that question by some many eunuchs is because they're not eunuchs. They're sodomites, okay. They are homos but his whole book is based on the fact that these people are actually born eunuchs and what that means to him is that they're born without any attraction towards men or women and then somehow they just accidentally end up being a sodomite.

speaker 6: The guy he toils around with is this flaming and feminine queer that he brings along with him. The book centers around this guy, okay.

This guy, leaning to just a full blown sodomite lifestyle. Just having relationships with multitudes of men and it was all because he was just confused. He didn't realize he's just a eunuch.

Here's why that's so stupid. Because if you're supposedly a eunuch then you wouldn't be desirous of men or women. You desire neither. That's the whole point of God saying, you know, some people are going to remain single. First of all when he talks about people remaining single. He's not saying they have no desire for the opposite gender. He's just saying that they're able to contain that desire but what they're teaching is that "well these people are just born with no desire for men or a woman and so the obvious question is, well then, why are they being a fag then. It doesn't even make sense because if you desire neither then you just do neither.

Speaker 1: And they say "no [inaudible 00:05:54] people they are born eunuchs" which means they don't have a desire for people the opposite gender. They were born that way by God and somehow they got confused and then they are now doing provactive acts with some of the same gender just because they don't have any type of sexual attraction to anybody. Does that make any sense?

Audience: No.

Speaker 1: Don't say that somehow a person is going to get confused and do something repulsive and do something that's going to turn the stomach of any normal person naturally because these sins, they won't deny it, the sin of homosexuality is against nature. It's not against nature for some. It's against nature for all.

speaker 6: No man just accidentally ends up with another dude because he had no desire. That's stupidity. That's foolishness. The bible says that further foolishness is sin, how much more when you speak that kind of foolishness. They're trying to convince us that homos are actually eunuchs. I mean, what do they think of next.

Johnny Nixon: Why am I attracted to the same sex? This is a question I'm asked by many eunuchs.

Speaker 1: Of course that's weird to think that a eunuch would be attracted to same sex because a eunuch is not a sodomite. He says, number one: it's inherent.

Same sex attraction. Same sex attraction is not exclusive. We all possess it. How do like this quote.

Johnny Nixon: This leads me to conclude that we should have biblical eunuchs of both sex as in our churches that interact with the kids.

Speaker 1: So he wants dudes who are attracted to the same sex working with our kids. He wants to bring them in as the children's worker. That's always been the goal of this movement.

speaker 6: The end game for the sodomites is that this ministry basically provides for them the ability to be able to get access to children and that's why they have an article that says, seven things you don't know about eunuchs, like even mind they're not using the google definition of eunuch. When they say eunuch, they mean, seven things you don't know about a filthy animal, sodomite, homo, that's what they mean. In their "seven things you don't know about fags" is what they really mean here and the first thing that they say is this, they say, number one: You can trust them. And then later on in the article, what they say is this, and by the way, they are excellent working with children.

Speaker 1: Take the sodomites, right. They don't believe that the sodomites are reprobates so they are saying we can reach the sodomites and get them to a life of celibacy and then they make great children's workers.

speaker 6: Typically, they love working with other people and can be trusted to care for them. They are usually excellent working with children, so there you have it folks. That is the real end game here of the sodomites creeping into churches. Why are they infiltrating? Why are they creeping in? Well, to gain access to children. Isn't interesting that born that way ministries just brings up, number one: oh, you can trust this person. Then right after that, follows it up with, oh, they're great working with children so basically, they want to just enable pedophiles to have access to children. That's how wicked this is. That's how satan ... don't tell me I'm overreacting. These people have truly known the depths of satan.

Speaker 1: It's so crazy I won't even bring it up except I'm talking about big named creatures are ... just embracing this lizard. The supporting minister there, if you go their bornthatway.org their supporting ministries, who supports them. This is what it says on the top of the page. The pastors and organizations listed below are friends who understand the truth. Talking about the truth that they are teaching that sodomites are really just poor little confused eunuchs. The pastors and organizations listed below are friends who understand the truth and provide a safe place for those seeking answers. By the way, those seeking answers are pedophiles and sodomites. Who they are painting as victims whereas the bible paints them as wicked proud beast haters of God, full of murder, debate, deceit, malignity, read Romans:1.

Here's some of the names on the list: Dr. Bob Gray from long view, Texas. He's the leader of the independent fundamental baptist movement. There are hundreds of pastors. Hundreds of independent baptist pastors who look up to Dr. Bob Gray Sr. As the leader of the fundamental baptist movement. This is what he's supporting, born that way ministries. Dr Jeff Orleans. Again, another big name in fundamental zone that people look to as the leader of the fundamental baptist movement. Aslam Davis is another well known guy that's on here.

Johnny Nixon: Several months now, a pastor friend read what I had written down. I'm not a heterosexual. He became very concerned. I was scheduled to preach in his church and he thought that maybe Johnny Nixon had come out of his closet and become a homosexual. May I assure you that I'm not homosexual. In fact the truth is this, I'm not a heterosexual and neither are you. I'm not a homosexual and neither are you. There are no heterosexuals. There are no homosexuals. They never have been. They never will be. And the whole gay marriage tobacco will continue to get worse and freedom of religion in America may die completely unless every bible believer in America starts saying what I am saying right now. Let me encourage you to get the book, born that way afterall and read it. You can also read many outstanding articles on brother Nixon's website which is bornthatway.org.

speaker 6: And this website, born that way ministries is so soft on homos. It literally says that calling yourselves straight is offensive. Because if you say that you're straight. You're applying that they are crooked. But you know, I got news for you. The bible has

a lot worse things to say about sodomites than just that they're crooked. The bible calls them, filthy, beast, vile, sons of the devil, everything else so this website is so soft on sodomy and literally says, don't call yourselves straight. So Bob Gray has come out supporting this ministry. Bob Gray Snr, from long view, Texas. He came out supporting this ministry and he even put up in his blog post.

Speaker 1: This is what Bob Gray said "I'm not a heterosexual, okay because that's what this born that way ministry teaches, to not say that you're straight. To not say that you're heterosexual.

speaker 6: And Dr. Gray said he re-read the book and he said in his blog post, he said he was sitting on a plane, he re-read the book, he was amazed at the truth in the book. What Bob Gray Snr. Is doing is an abomination to God. Put that in your stick and type and smoke it. He's leading people away into the others listening to the pastors who go over that wicked book, born that way after all. It's so bad, it's not even funny. I couldn't believe what they were saying and that Bob Gray, just read the book, read the book. You know what that tells me that he has read the book and he's okay with it.

Johnny Nixon: Let me show you this part on here. This is a page on cross dressing. Let's read some of these. Gender dysphoria or childhood gender non conformity is a condition in which children and teens do not conform to expected societal behavior. Some signs and traits of this condition include: cross gender clothing and grooming preferences. Typical among those who are diagnosed includes a fascination with the clothing of the opposite sex. Even though, this sometimes leads to a desire for cross dressing, it's well reported that over 75% of these individuals identify themselves as heterosexuals. Among the many major studies in this area, gender dysphoria is accepted by many medical professionals to be but physiologically and psychologically. Medical research also indicates that gender non-conforming behaviors are relatively treatable such as testosterone deficiency or congenial adrenal hyperplasia.

speaker 6: so basically, he goes on and on about cross dressing as it's a condition. Though it's a condition or those who have been diagnosed with it, is a condition. He's trying to make it out that it's a medical problem, okay. It's funny because in all these talk about cross dressing, he never tells us what the bible says. Here's the one verse in the bible that talks about cross dressing. It says, the woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment for all that do so are abomination to the Lord thy God. Notice, that does not say as people often quote this. That it is an abomination to cross dress. It actually says that if you cross dress, you are an abomination for all that do so are an abomination to the Lord thy God. Man's wisdom over here of the world says, "it's just a medical condition" over here it says, no, the problem is, the person doing it, is an abomination. But he doesn't even bring up the relevant scripture. Look what he says next.

Johnny Nixon: These are real world issues that are prevalent in our society today. You may recall a male celebrity athlete announcing to the world that he felt that he was truly a female. How did you respond? Many Christians voiced their opinion about his confession in a rather questionable manner. People that suffer with transgender related issues should not be maligned or mocked.

speaker 6: So notice what he says, they're suffering with transgenderism so the bible says, they're an abomination. John Nixon says, "they are victims, they're suffering" and he's talking about Bruce Jenner here whose picture in drag, cross dress, was on the cover of the magazine that was seen by literally over a billion people. It was everywhere, in the airport, in the grocery store, everywhere you looked. You saw that filthy picture, your children were exposed to it and instead of getting angry and being upset about the fact that this sodomite put his dirty picture in the minds of half of our planet. He's worried about, "but how did you respond? Many Christians ..." shut up, I don't care what you think about how Christians acted, that's a filthy picture and he's not suffering, he's not diagnosed, he's an abomination. Friend, if you're at home and you don't agree with me, just remember, you don't agree with God. This is God's word. This is not my word. This is the devil's lies over here.

One of the most telling things about this book is what it doesn't say. Just like it doesn't bring out Deuteronomy 22:5, it also conveniently never references Romans 1, where it talks about God giving them over to vile affections.

Speaker 1: For this cause, God gave them up unto vile affections. For even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the women. Burned in their lust, one towards another, men with men, working that which is unseemly and receiving in themselves that recompence in their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge. God gave them over to a reprobate mind to do those things which are not convenient.

speaker 6: He doesn't even bring that ... in the whole book, talking about how sodomites got that way, that's what the whole book is about. Born that way. Is a whole book about how sodomites got that way. He convinently never brings up that God gave them up under vile affections. That's why the women changed the natural use. That was easy and likewise also the men. So God gave them up to vile affections. God gave them up to uncleanliness through the lust of their own heart, God gave them over to a reprobate mind to do those things which are not convenient. He just never even mentions that in a whole book about how they got that way because you know, most of them assures that they're born eunuchs which is not logical because if you are a eunuch and you have no attraction to either agenda and that's his weird definition to be eunuch and then you wouldn't be with other dudes as a man or with other women as a woman.

Johnny Nixon: The perverted community that we have seen a lot of our eunuchs go to ... they are still natural eunuchs. I mean, they were created special, however they don't know about it yet so we've got to let them know that they do have a purpose in life.

Speaker7: That comes to the heart of my question is that, you believe that the people who are driven to this or drawn to same sex relationships were actually eunuchs.

Johnny Nixon: The majority.

Speaker7: So what percentage would you say of these, you know what ... can you put a figure on it. You say majority.

Johnny Nixon: Yeah. If I gave a figure, it'd probably be ridiculous because it would be 99% because we have met very few people who do not see themselves as natural eunuchs, who are in the lifestyle.

Speaker 1: I must make it clear that not every one who engages in unnatural behavior was born to be a eunuch, most of those with whom I've met has been eunuchs but there are those who merely have allowed their lust to consume them and lead them into this sinful activity. So basically saying that not all homos were born eunuchs. Some people just went into that for other reasons but he's claiming that most of the homos that he's run into were eunuchs. I mean this is insane.

speaker 6: He even gives an example of his poster child saying the poster child eunuch that his God who has recruited in the bar by another homo. This is some guy who was supposed to be born a eunuch and he was ostracized and didn't feel like he fit in and he found acceptance in the homosexual community so that's why he just accidentally became a homosexual. He just accidentally started burning for other men and ... but anyway he's at this bar and he's recruited by these homos. He even said that, when Sam was recruited, the homo that recruited Sam ... he tells a story of how he picked him up in the bar and all those kind of stuff. He goes on and say, this is what baffles me the most, he goes on and say, the homo that recruited him, he may sound sinister but he was not sinister. He said he was just a confused eunuch also. This guy is probably just a confused eunuch.

This is a homo who is in a bar playing on other people. He's preying and recruiting and picking to ... oh, he's just a confused eunuch.

Speaker 1: So he got confused, he got backslidden, he got out of church. He went off to college and while he's in college, this other guy invites him to a bar and when he gets to the bar. That other guy is with a few other friends from college and says to him, " hey, we believe you're gay and we're gay too" and he basically tells Sam, " I want to have intercourse with you. I'm here to confront you because I'm a homo and I think you're homo too. I want to have intercourse with you too" and then Sam, at that moment, that's like the most accepted he's ever felt.

For the first time, he feels loved and accepted so he has intercourse with the guy. That's what the book is about. And of course you know this is the guy who Johnny Nixon pulls him out of that and makes him into a celibate eunuch, a children's worker. That's what he transforms him into. It would be easy for us to think that the motives of the young man who approached Sam were in some way sinister. I prefer to think he's probably just another Sam [inaudible 00:21:55] so even the guy who recruited Sam into a full blown sodomite [inaudible 00:22:01] even the guy who sort him out, brought him to a bar, ganged up on him with other sodomites, of course putting alcohol in him, you think that's a coincidence that he approached him with this in a bar.

The bible says, woe unto him that giveth his neighbor drink and put it inside bottle to him and maketh him drunk and also that thy mayst look on their nakedness. In Habakkuk 2:15, all the pronouns are male pronouns. It's a dude giving another dude alcohol to look on that dude's nakedness. Habakkuk 2:15 is referring to homos giving alcohols to other homos to look on their nakedness but according to Nixon. That is in no way sinister.

Johnny Nixon: It would be easy for us to think that the motives of the young one who approached Sam were in som way sinister.

speaker 6: He's saying that they weren't sinister at all. He's just another confused eunuch [inaudible 00:22:52] so even just the sodomites recruiters who are taking people who have never done it and enticing them into that lifestyle through alcohol. They're not even sinister. They are just victims of gender non-conformity disorder, we just haven't diagnosed them [inaudible 00:23:13]

Speaker 1: Eunuch is just [inaudible 00:23:14] of sodomites. I'll proof it to you because he says that most homosexuals are just eunuchs. So eunuchs is just his word for sodomites. Any time I say eunuchs, you might just feel in the blank, just sodomites. He says that one of the ways you can tell a eunuch is if they're flamboyant and fashion conscious. He's trying to say that they're eunuchs because God created them that way. So he is saying that God created them with a flamboyance and fashion conscience. Now I've got a word for that if you're a man and you're into name brands other than [inaudible 00:23:54] and dickens and levers and you are fashion conscious and you're flamboyant, I got a word for that. It's called a feminine, it's called a sissy and God says as that's a sin. So why would God create somebody who is just a [inaudible 00:24:07] purpose is suppose to serve God but now they're just Mr. Fashion Police. They're just Mr. Into the latest greatest fashions and flamboyance and name brand. Why is God going to create somebody for that nonsense, that's a sin. He said most homos are eunuchs. Now just think about the nonsense of these.

Johnny Nixon: So this chapter right here has to do with how to identify this eunuchs in your church. He said that this people that God created with no desire sexually for either men or women is wonderful, special servants of God that God created, that they were born that way. He tells you, that these are some signals to look for or identify these special eunuchs so you can help them counsel them. Does he sometimes exhibit flamboyance? One characteristic many eunuchs have which is often seen in the so called homosexual lifestyles is a combination of quiet nobility and flamboyance. They like flashy colors and enjoy the things that we may often equate with femininity, all the touchy, feeling individuals and then he says appearances is important to him. Does he desire to be seen as lovely. Does he like to wear bright clothing and colors that are more often associated with women.

Speaker 1: A eunuch maybe is strikingly fashion conscious.

Johnny Nixon: Physical appearance is extremely important to them.

Speaker 1: So, the thing that is so weird about this is that he literally is trying to expect us to believe that the fact that God supposedly made these men to be special, distracted servants of him that don't get married and just a fully dedicated to him. So why will would God create them fashion conscious. Can you explain that to me? So, born that way afterall. He really were to be born to be fashion conscious. I mean, what is this guy's favorite tv show? Clear eye for the straight guy-

Speaker 8: If person is naturally more prone to a same sex fact relationship. And I would say, yes, it has to do with what you talked about this morning. It has to do with intimacy. All of us had this intimacy when we were young especially guys. We lived to be around our friends until something happened with some of us. A part of that intimacy which is not sexual closeness reverts over to the females. Well guess what, it never reverted for the natural eunuch. He has more of a desire for intimacy and closeness than we do and a part of that, believe it or not, revolves around touch. We, as human beings are perfected by touch. Like Jesus and John, when John and Jesus touched each other.

Johnny Nixon: Two eunuchs and remember this is his code word for basically men who are attracted to other men. Men who formally have had sex with other men. Two eunuchs of the same sex can develop wonderful and chased relationship with one another that is in no way sexual or romantic.

Speaker 1: Two eunuch men or women can live together in chastity as long as they remain mentally pure and avoid any appearance of evil. So basically, these formal sodomites that he wants to bring in. These men who are attracted to other men that he claims who are born that way because they were born eunuchs, he wants to bring them in, make them children's workers and he's even saying they can live with another eunuch dude so these two couple of queers basically, he calls them eunuchs but he's talking about men who lust after other men, can live together, be in church, living together with their partner.

Johnny Nixon: But just as long as they're celibates, as long as they're chase, you know

Speaker 1: and how are we going to know that. We're suppose to just take their word for it that they are celibates now as they live with their gay buddy, okay. You can develop strong emotional same sex ties but it may be wise not to share a living place or to show open affection too often. It might be wise not to if people are freaking out and don't show open affection too often. He's talking about your eunuch same sex partner that you live with. What does the bible say, the bibl says, a man leaves father and mother and cleaves to his wife, the two shall be one flesh and of course there's also the option given of a man just remaining single like the apostle Paul and other people in the bible who remained single. Nobody is teaching that people have to get married. That's a [inaudible 00:28:53]. First Corinthians 7 talks about how you don't have to get married if you don't want to. If you can handle being single and serve God, great. But he wants his people living with heir eunuch body and he says, don't show open affection too often so save all the cuddling with your eunuch body. Save that for behind closed doors, just don't do it openly too often. Sometimes do it openly, but not too often and you may not want to share a living place if it's going to offend people.

Johnny Nixon:

Speaker 1: I believe there's a conspiracy today in the independent fundamental baptist movement to bring these sons of [inaudible 00:29:34] into churches. So here's what Johnny Nixon and his partner Joshua Argon ... you know they decided, hey let's make a ministry where we trick all these pastors to go out and purposely look for perverts and bring them in and let's teach them ... the number one thing you need to know about these people is that you can trust them with your children, put them in the Sunday school class by themselves. You know, with Johnny Nixon, Joshua and who ever, you know. Put them in there because you can trust them and the best place they are excellent, they're excellent [inaudible 00:30:16]

Speaker7: They're trying to sneak these people in by calling them eunuchs and they're saying in English, bring these homos in, let's just teach them that, hey, you're not gay after all. You're not a homo. You're just born a eunuch and that you should have no desire or the opposite sex in here. Let's just bring them in and we'll let you work with the children. Listen, that is sick. That is disgusting. Listen, we need to guard our children and the reason why I'm preaching all these this morning and preaching so hard against it, is out of love for the people of this church and out of love for children because I'm not going to let some molester, child molester, rapist, some homo come in here and do things against your child. They're not welcome and this church. Do you hear me?

Speaker 1: This gets me real fired up when I hear this dumb argument. It blows me away. Here's the argument. We do background checks in our church. I mean it's just ... " we do background check" okay but did you know that the average pedophile molests 260 victims in his lifetime. Now, if they are getting arrested every time they do it or most of the time they do it or even a tenth of the time they do it. They wouldn't get to 260 victims. You now how they get to 260 victims because they molest scores of victims before getting caught. Usually when you hear about these pedophiles getting caught, it's like 20 years later. It's like, oh, 20 years ago he molested this person and then they came out and then 12 other victims came out. Isn't there always just a whole line of victims they come out. Oh, what, she came forward, 10 other people came forward and it's 15 years ago, 17 years ago. How in the world can an average pedophile molest 26 victims unless they're getting away with it all the time so you know what, that background check tells you nothing. It just tells you they haven't been caught yet. It doesn't guarantee it.

Everybody does it for the first time. Think about that. Every murderer kills their first person. Every thief steals something for the first time. Every drunk took their first drink, right and every pedophile molested a kid for the first time. "Oh, but the background check is clean" yeah that's because eight years later, they are going get caught and then it's too late once lives have been destroyed. Once irreparable damage is done, the baby is [inaudible 00:32:58] then it's like, oh, turns out this guy was a pervert. A homo is [inaudible 00:33:05]to a pedophile as a puppy is a dog. If a homo is not a pedophile. It's just because he hasn't mature to be a full grown beast yet. Is just because he hasn't any opportunity yet. He hasn't had the opportunity to recruit a child. Now I'm going to proof to you that homos is a pedophiles. First point, the way I'm going to proof to you homos are pedophiles are the cries of sodom. And the Lord said, because the cries of sodom and gomorrah is great and because their sentence is very grievous, I would go down now and see what they've done altogether according to their [inaudible 00:33:41]. So whose cries do you think I was hearing. Whose cries from sodom did grasp the attention of the Lord Jesus Christ. The bible says the sacrifice of the wicked is abomination to the Lord but the prayer of the upright is his delight.

the Lord is far from the wicked but he hears the prayers of the righteous so do you think it was the wicked people in sodom that Jesus Christ came down to answer their prayers because he heard their prayers. No. It's the chosen that these crude beast are messing with. It's the chosen, that they are wreaking and they are crying out their lives, oh, Jesus help me. A dog has got me. Help me, Jesus. He's coming down to help him. He's coming down because he hates somebody who would hurt a little child so much. He coming down to put him in hell early. He's coming to put them in hell early and burn them alive with fire and brimstone.

Number one: homos are pedophiles because of the cries. Jesus heard the cries of these children. I mean, what other cries are you going to hear? He says, he hears their cries. The cry of the fatherless child and the widow. His ears are open and sensitive to their cries. Their cries is what prompted the call to earth [inaudible 00:34:58] number two: homos are pedophiles because ...

Speaker7: young and old, turn to Genesis 19:4.

Speaker 1: But before they laid down, the men of the city, even the men of sodom compose[inaudible 00:35:08] the house ground. Both old and young. All the people from every corner and they are calling to Lot and said unto him, where are the men which came into thee this night. Bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

Speaker7: How could you be a young person and be so provocative and be so vile. How can you be that despicable and that filth for the earth. How can you be a young person and be that way. I will tell how because they were recruited, they were messed with as a child. They had some sodomites plant a seed in their mind and expose themselves on a restroom to them or whatever, torture and show them graphic materials that they shouldn't be looking at. Show them pictures of things that they shouldn't be looking at and get into their mind and mess with their mind and recruit them because that's what the agenda is. That is what the whole agenda of born that way afterall ministries is. Satan is behind it. He's trying to bing these homos in the churches to play and season kids minds, to mess with kids, to confuse kids and recruit them over to that side and when they get messed with and get recruited. They get better. They get hard hearted. They get tired of God rebuking them and reproving them and they get harder and they stiffen their neck to God and they reject him and Jesus Christ finally gives them over and that's how they become that way. So, we see young and old.

It's obvious that they recruit, if they didn't recruit, then why is there young people. Is it a nice work of a young person to want to do. They had to be taught this. They had to be recruited.

Speaker 1: If we look at stories. There are three stores in the bible that involved sodomy. That involved men who commit acts with other men. They're found in Genesis 9, Genesis 19 and Judges 19. They all involved violating someone against their will. They are all horrible stories of violence. They are all consistent in what they teach. Now the bible has painted a very negative picture of this so called segment of our population because the bible is saying that they're vile. The bible is saying that they are disgusting. The bible is saying that they are reprobate. The bible says they hate God. The bible says that they're filled with murder and malignity and maliciousness and violence and that they're physically rapist and predators and horny people.

Speaker7: And number four, when the homos are pedophile because the bible says, God says, that he that burns for his lust to another man or even the same sex is filled with all unrighteousness. For this cause, God gave them up unto vile affections. For even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature. And likewise also the men leaving the natural use of the women, burned in their own lust one towards another. Men with men working that which is unseemly and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge. God gave them over to a reprobate mind to do those things which are not convenient being filled with all unrighteousness.

Speaker 1: Now, is pedophilia unrighteousness or not. If pedophilia is unrighteousness and God said you're filled with it. That means you're capable of it. You're capable of anything ad here's the reason why because a reprobate has a conscious sealed with a hard heart. It doesn't bother him. Nothing bothers him. You're filled with all unrighteousness. You're filled with pedophilia. God said it, he said you're filled with all unrighteousness, in the faith reason that I'm going to tell you that the bible teaches us that homos are pedophiles is because God calls them dogs. God calls them dogs. Now if you know anything about a dog, a dog will hawk anything it breeds and not breeds. Pastor Anderson said he recently had a dog and he had to get rid of it because it was just weird. I mean just hawking everything even like the couch and everything else and it was too weird and he got rid of it. Deuteronomy 23:17. There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel. Thou shall not bring the hire of a whore or the price of a dog into the house of the Lord thy God for any vow. For even, both these are abomination unto the Lord. Now, it doesn't take a rocky scientist, it doesn't take a theologian to see that Jesus Christ, that God here is using a dog interchangeably with a sodomite.

Jesus says, give not that which is already dogs', neither cast your pearls before swine least they ruin you. The reason why homos are pedophiles is because God said they're dogs. And a dog will hawk anything that breathes. They go any kind of way because they will hawk anything that breathes. I just want to expose a big lie tonight that's out there and this is a lie that the world would teach you. By now, the baptist are repeating the same thing with this, born that way philosophy. Here's what's going on. The bible ... and turn to Leviticus 20:13 because I want to show it to you from Leviticus 20:13 becausse there's a key word that I think that people sometimes overlook in this passage and it's important that we get all the least from the bible not from the world around us. Let's go to Leviticus 20:13 because there's a key word here. Watch this. Third boo in the bible. Everybody turn there. It says, if a man, what's the next word

Jeff Orleans: Also.

Speaker 1: Also. If a man also. Does it say if a man do this instead. No. It says if a man also. If a man also lie with mankind as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination and they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. These does not say that a homo only lies with men. This says that he also lies with other men as he lies with women. You see every time you see these stories of the sodomites in the bible, they always go both ways every single time. One of the key stories on these subject is the story in Judges chapter 19 where it describes the sodomites as certain sons of villain bellows to them so these sons of the devil and by the way, once you're a child of God, how long are you a child of God for?

Guess what, once you're a child of the devil. Guess how long you're a child of the devil for? Forever. That's when you're two folds more of a child of hell, that's when you're twice dead as the bible says. That's when you're given over to a reprobate mind but it says a man also lies with [inaudible 00:42:29] well in Judges chapter 19 is that terrific story where the sodomites surround the house and they want to violate the man inside. They say, bring out that man that came on to you. We want to know him in the biblical sense, like adam knew eve and she conceived and bare him a son.

So they say, we want to know him and the man that he's staying with says, don't do such aa vile thing. Notice that word, vile. Don't do so vile a thing and instead what they do is that they take the guy's concubine, his live-in girlfriend. You know the concubine is not a wife, it's basically someone that you lie with that is not your wife so this is what we will call your live-in girlfriend, your bed buddy. They take this guy's concubine and they throw her out of the house and slam the door and say, abuse her instead of abusing him. They toss her out to them and the bible says that the sodomites, they abused here until the morning. So they didn't say like, " gross, we don't like women" you know what I mean " don't you know, we are not attracted to women" you know, "we were born without that desire" no. They just took her as the consolidation prize and they abused her all night.

You would say, well that's a disgusting story, it is. But it's the word of God and you know what it's even more disgusting is when you don't know that story and you have to eal with this stuff in real life. See, those of us that are smart will read the disgusting story because God put it in there for a reason and we need to hear it. It's not graphic in the bible. Thank God. It's not graphic but it's showing us reality because it's always better to read the word of God and just trust it and then they have to bring these people in and see what they're like first hand. Which is what the independent baptist are experimenting with right now to their own confusion and to the confusion of their children's nakedness and so what we see here is that in Judges 19 they go both ways.

What about the story of sodom and gomorrah itself. In the story of sodom and gomorrah itself it teaches that all the men of the city and it's very repetitive to tell us that everybody was there. All the men in the city, every single person other than lot is a homo in sodom because they all come surrounding the house and say, bring these men out to us so that we may know them but yet it talks about there being little children in the city because it talks about young and old, great and small. That tells me that they're producing children with women because two dudes can't produce a child.

Audience: Right.

Speaker 1: So therefore the man of sodom must have clearly gambled ways in order to produce its children. And then if we go back to the story at Genesis chapter 9 where we see Ham. You know, bible didn't give us the detail but he look upon his father's nakedness which is often, you know, uncovering the nakedness is euphemism in the bible, sort of like lie with or to know them, to uncover the nakedness, some perverted act there.

Well we know Ham had children so he clearly went both ways as well. So every time we see them in the bible, what the world would call them is bi- right. Isn't that what the world will take ... well they're bi but here's the thing, quoting the bible, they're all bi. They all go both ways but why because it's a man who also lies meagan and see they didn't just completely leave the use of the woman, they left the natural use of the women and let me ask this, can you leave the natural use of the woman if you never used the woman. Look, in order to leave somewhere you have to have been there. I can't say I left faithful word baptist church. You ever been there? No. So how can you leave the natural use of a woman if you have never been there. They left the natural use of the woman.

They laid also with mankind as they've laid with women but we're suppose to believe this lie that the world tells us, "oh, this sodomites, they're not attracted to women" that's the lie that's out there. They have no desire for women. They never had. They never did according to the world so who should I believe, the bible or the world. It's nothing like that in the bible. But yet this born that way movement says, oh well, these people are born eunuchs and they don't desire either men or women so then they just end up getting confused and accidentally been with bunch of dudes by accident. Whoops.

Now, look you accidentally make a wrong turn and they are exception. You accidentally put cream on your cereal instead of milk, right. You accidentally slip out of an interview, you did not accidentally be intimate with multitude of other men because you are a little confused. That's a lie at the pit of hell and what it all comes down to this is the fundamental baptist, they want to meet the sodomites half way. Well, okay, you guys aren't born that way but you've got to be celibate though because you're born eunuchs. Stupid. I know. I didn't want to repeat it ... but you know we kind of meet you half way. Like okay, we get it. Yeah, you're not attracted to women. No. Wrong. That's not what the bible teaches. Get your head out of tv and Hollywood and the magazines that are teaching you that stuff. Get in the word of God and read the scripture for yourself. Read Genesis 19. Read Judges 19. Read Leviticus 20:13. Read Romans 1. They left the use of the woman. They did both according to the bible. That's what scripture actually teaches. So this whole thing is just a fraud flooding through.

speaker 6: And then he claims that the standard answer when children ask their parents, what does it mean to be gay, "gay is when a man does not like girls" why would any parent give their child such a stupid ridiculous answer. No. Gay is when a man is into other dudes. It's not when he doesn't like girls. It's again the strong mind of the entire book. It makes them into a victim and all over this born this way website, either all kinds of articles telling us how we need to love the sodomite and how we should never even call them a sodomite. I use the word sodomite. They call them, "gay" and they said that on the article. There's a whole article on there saying it's wrong to call them sodomites. And they said what you'll say, the bible said sodomites. Here's what they say on this born that way ministries, they said, well even though the bible calls them sodomites, we shouldn't because it's offensive and it's not edifying. Then, they say, I know Jesus called people serpents and vipers but it's okay for him to do it but it's not okay for us to do it.

I thought he left us an example and we should follow in his steps. Right. We're supposed to be better than Jesus because Jesus was mean and a jerk and rude according to them, we need to be better than Jesus. We need to be softer and nicer because he was just too mean. I mean, sure, he called people serpents and vipers, " but he also walked on water, are you going to walk on water" and then they say, "well Jesus never commanded us to walk on water and he never commanded us to preach like that" actually he did, he said, preach the word, rebuke. What did you think "rebuke" is, it's the sternly tell someone that they're they're wrong. The bible says, rebuke them sharply that they may be sound in the faith. Hard preaching in the old testament. Hard preaching in the new testament. It's always been God's style of preaching. Rough preaching, hard preaching is biblical. Just mood preaching is for false prophets, that's what the bible teaches. But this ministry tell all, don't call them sodomites. You know, I mean, look. God forbid you to actually call them fag or queer but they're saying don't even call us sodomites and don't have this hoax against their mentality. Embrace them, bring in-

Johnny Nixon: Calling sin by name has more dent to calling sinners names. Many creatures are caught up in the rhetoric of words that once would have been deemed a acceptable but now it's considered hating.

speaker 6: So notice he said, it once would have been deemed as acceptable. That's pretty interesting because earlier in the book, he tells a story about going to youth conference and doesn't name the names but it's obvious where he's talking about because he gives the exact quote from Jeff Orleans youth conference sermon. The sermon is called "struck blind" it was preached at youth conference at first baptist church of Hammond, Indiana. He tells the story, ironically, Johnny Nixon was actually there for that sermon. I remember as a teenager attending a youth conference at the first baptist church of Hammond and hear a message preached on being a true christian man. The preacher brought a powerful message. Imagine what he said was spot-on. I remember one particular part of that sermon quite vividly, in it, he used an incredible strong language to condemn gay men. He called them names and made violent threat. He said the real man should banish homosexuals to non existence.

Johnny Nixon: He even said that AIDS was a curse sent from God. Of course the preacher was [inaudible 00:52:05] . sermon was called struck blind, I'm the one who uploaded it to youtube years later.

speaker 6: Before I knew it, I was so caught up in the moment that I was standing and shouting, " praise the Lord" I could hardly believe that was me it was totally out of character. The Lord sounded so good at the moment.

Johnny Nixon: Clearly this kind of preaching often takes things way too far and much of what he said was rhetoric and not what he actually believed. In fact his creditor, the preacher who preached this message apologized publicly a few years later for the hurtful language and the suggestions of violence in his sermon.

Jeff Orleans: This is Jeff Orleans. If you're responding to a sermon that I preached about gays, I will like to render the following apology. 15 years ago, I preached a sermon that promoted physically hurting gay people. I was young, stupid and immature. I didn't even hold the belief of hurting people when I wrongfully made those comments. I regret those words and I've asked God to forgive me for them over an over again. I'm not a believer in the gay lifestyle but I was profoundly wrong in making any comments about hurting people. If I could retract the words, I certainly would.

In America, we need to stop burning flags and start burning fags. It's about time somebody say what needs to be said. It's reprobate, and AIDS is a curse sent from God. It's a curse sent from God because when you can't say that. Well don't you say, I will [inaudible 00:53:28]on. We need to turn the homo weak, for real. [inaudible 00:53:36]Put it on television brother, put it on probation, then put it back on the car[inaudible 00:53:46]. Those of you that are yelling and screaming and shouting. The reason they came out of their closet because there weren't enough men on the other side to tell them to keep them in. If there were men, we won't have that problem. We need to take them all out and kill them with a scouter shot gun.

Jeff Orleans: I no longer preach like that. I purposely teach and train others to preach of the hate properly as well. The hurtful words in that sermon tape were erased many years ago and somehow re-surfaced much to my disappointment and embarrassment.

Johnny Nixon: However, this is the key. That was pretty much how we all felt about it at that time. We knew homosexuality was wrong and perverted and not only that it was unnatural.

Speaker 1: I mean, think about this. There were thousands of people at that sermon. Youth conference is a huge event at first baptist church of Hammond. Thousands of people were there and if you listen at the recording of Jeff Orleans preaching that sermon, you can hear the whole place is shouting, amen. If you listen real careful on the tape. You'll even hear Johnny Nixon shouting amen. Okay. What's funny is that he admits that in the mid 90s because that sermon, I think it was preached on '94 or '96, somewhere on it.

Johnny Nixon: in the mid 90s we all felt that way about it at that time.

Speaker 1: Okay. What's the difference 20 years later? Could it be 20 years of brain washing in Hollywood programming and tv programming and the media cramming these down our throat. So, according to Johnny Nixon, all of us were wrong back then. Everybody who was at that youth conference cheering and carrying ... everyone was on. Why didn't no one have a problem with Jeff Orleans sermon when he preached. Why didn't anyone tell him at that time. Hey, you did not say that ... why didn't he apologize at that time. I uploaded that to youtube and the sodomites persecuted Jeff Orleans. That's when he apologized. The reason he didn't apologize in the 90s is because in the 90s, that was normal preaching and nobody was offended. Nobody battered an eye. Nobody cared. Now, all of a sudden, it's hate speech according to him and back then, he knew homosexuality was wrong and perverted and not only that, it was unnatural. You know what, I'm still in that 90s time frame, that mentality. It's funny how now, these preachers, Jeff Orleans, Bob Ray, Johnny Nixon, they're promoting these garbage and they even call me an idiot and you're crazy. Your preaching is insane.

But it's identical to what they preached in the 90s and he said, look we all felt that way about it at the time. So these guys have changed with the times and they expect us to go right down the tube with them.

Johnny Nixon: My position on homosexuality was pretty standard. It was a sin and an abomination to the Lord.

Speaker 1: What these people are doing is turning our country into a modern day sodom and gomorrah. That's what they're doing to our country and they don't care. They don't care, if they care they'll do something to stop it, my friend. If they loved me, they talk so much about love. They only love themselves.

Audience: That's right.

Speaker 1: Because if they loved me, if they loved you, if they loved our children, you know what they'll do, they will try to stop our country from turning into a modern day sodom and gomorrah. That's what they will do if they really loved us. They don't love us. Otherwise explain these, why should they explain to me, why the leaders of the fundamental baptist movement are supporting born that way ministries and "don't say sodomites" you offend me with your clear loving doctrine. You offend me with your watered down compromise. They wouldn't touch Romans 1 with a 10 foot pole. They're sacred of it because they love money.

speaker 6: I finally figured out the real reason why Bob Gray is still so vehemently defending this wicked ministry, born that way ministries. These bunch of perverts and these wicked doctrine, well because he's involved in this independent baptist online college and it turns out that Johnny Nixon, the founder of this faggedy ministry, this born that way ministries is the bible teacher on his independent baptist online college. If you go their website and look at their faculty. It lists about 17, 18 different teachers and under bible instruction, bible teachers, you'd see Johnny Nixon there listed. This whole "independent baptist online college is a scam anyway. It's just basically a money making scam.

Well I came across a video where vice president of the college, David Baker, who by the way is also buddies with Johnny Nixon and everything Johnny Nixon is doing on Facebook. He's clicking like and all these born that way filth but anyway, this video by David Baker, he's explaining how to start your own chapter of the online bible college for your local church so basically what you do is you get the young people in your church to sign up for online bible college and so they stay at your church. They don't have to go off to college. They can stay in your church because you have like a satellite of the online bible college that you run out of your church. It's all done locally with you there, with your college students and this is just a way for them to get a lot more students for their online bible course. Bob Gray is traveling every week and promoting this everywhere he goes trying to get all the pastors that he preaches for to set up this online chapter. Well you can't believe what a scam this is. You'll hear them explain it even from David Baker's own mouth.

But basically, here is what they are telling pastors. You know, you can make money of this as a pastor because what you'll do as a pastor who has an online chapter of this. You video and record yourself teaching a class and then basically your church members will have to pay a 100 dollars to watch that class. Instead of pastors now, just teaching their people the bible. Instead, pastors will just video and record themselves teaching and then charge their people a hundred bucks a person to get that teaching. This is what is so ridiculous about it, is that all that 100 dollars that they pay per class or if it's a two credit class, they pay 200 dollars a class. If it's a three credit class, they pay 300 dollars. It's a 100 dollars per credit. The thing that's so weird about this is that the pastor who creates the video, the pastor who does the teaching, he gets 30% of the money. So he gets 30 bucks and then 70 bucks goes to David Baker and friends. You know, their ministry, independent bible online college.

So basically instead of me as a pastor to just, teaching the bible to my church people. I'm suppose to go to an empty room somewhere and just record myself teaching. The example he gives is personal evangelism class or soul winning. So I'm just going to talk into the camera and just explain how to do personal evangelism. How to do soul winning. Instead of just letting my people watch that, uploading that to youtube, handing them a DVD, I'm going to send that to David Baker so that he can send it back to my people for a 100 bucks a person. So basically, I take a video that I already have in my possession that I taught. I send it to him and then he sends it back to my church members so that I can get 30 bucks and he can get 70 bucks for that transaction. Shouldn't we as pastors just be willing to teach our people everything they need to know from the bible for free. Why would I charge money to my own church members, 30 bucks for me to teach them how to go soul winning. Shouldn't I be willing to just give them that teaching for free and why does he get 70 bucks. The whole thing is a scam and a fraud.

David Baker: So a class you teach, we are going to pay you 30% of the tuition that comes in from that. If you teach a two credit course and other people take your class, that's a 1000 dollars that we get to give to you and that class will be taught every semester. Anytime any one takes that class then you will be able to get paid for that. The other thing is this, if you have a class that you really want to teach. That you want your students to get. I used the illustration, a personal evangelism. I taught personal evangelism in the college and so if you wanted your students to have your personal evangelism class then you can record it and your students can get your personal evangelism class.

speaker 6: I taught that pastors are already getting paychecks from their local church. I'm not against pastors getting paid. I'm of all pastors getting paid but are we suppose to conceal our bible preaching. Conceal our teachings, conceal personal evangelism 101 unless you pay a 100 bucks, 70 bucks of which goes to him and 30 bucks goes to me because if I play my cards right, a 100 people take my class. I can get 6000 and Baker can get 14000. And I'm not saying that it all goes to Baker but it goes to their ministry or whoever his buddies are, you know Bob Gray and Smear and Baker and Johnny Nixon and whoever is into this thing. So anyway I just wanted to just break that down to you just how insane it is to charge money and by the way, if you want to learn how to go soul winning. Why don't go online and watch brother Roger Jimenez's soul winning seminar. It's free. He's not charging his people a 100 bucks a pop to watch it. Where 70 bucks goes to some other guy.

The love of money is the root of all evil and I knew that when you see these evil teaching of Johnny Nixon and born that way ministries and this born a eunuch doctrine being promoted. That had to be something. You always have to follow the money and here's where the money trails leads. Johnny Nixon is part of this online baptist college. He's the bible instructor. One of the eighth bible instructor that they list on their website and so that's what's going on.

David Baker: With this pastor, we would like you to be able to record your own classes. Every pastor that's been around for a while has taught the wings in our bible study and when you got done, you say, wow, this is really good. You gave me some great information. I would love to get this out of the people but how, is really not a platform to be able to go somewhere and teach for 6 months, what God gave you and that which is like bible setting. Well, now you do. Pastor, we would like you to record that and for that to be a class that we offer in our college. Your students can take it and our whole college can take it and we will pay you to do that.

speaker 6: It's all some money making scam, Bob Gray is the head of it, he's the chancellor of this online bible college and his bible teacher is Johnny Nixon, so if you want to get a bible course degree where your bible instructor comes from a guy that thinks that the eunuchs in the bible are actually homos. That teaches that homos are just eunuchs and won't teach what Romans 1 teaches and if you want your bibl instructor to be a guy who has teemed up with Phil Robinson from duck dynasty who is church of Christ and believes in baptist regeneration and if you want your bible teacher to be from a guy who post pictures of Jesus mortal images on his Facebook timeline as being beautiful well then, you know independent baptist online college is for you and if you believe that homosexuals are born that way afterall, like the title of Johnny Nixon's book, well then, independent baptist online college is where you can go.

Speaker 1: The bible reads in Romans 1:24, wherefore God also gave them up to cleanliness through the lust of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves. Who changes the truth of God into a lie and worship and serve the creature more than the creator who is blessed forever, amen. For this cause, God gave them up unto vile affections, for even their women did change the nature use into that which is against nature and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another. Men with men, working that which is unseemly and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet and even as they did not want to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things that are not convenient.

Adam Fannin: It was their choice. They heard the truth but they hated it, verse 27 it says, and likewise also the men leaving the natural use of the woman burned in their lust one toward another. Men with men, working that which is unseemly. They're burning their lust. They become a reprobate. God gave them over. God gave them ... came upon them and they were burned that way eternally. They were not born that way. They had to choose it, accept it and now they are trying to normalize it.

Speaker 1: The bible is really clear on salvation. It's not based on how good you are. A lot of people think that they're pretty good, you know, they're going to get to heaven because they're pretty good but the bible says, for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. The bible says, as it written, there's none righteous, no, not one. I'm not righteous. You're not righteous. And if there were all goodness that will get us into heaven none of us will be going because the bible even says in Revelation Chapter 21:8, it says that the fearful and unbelieving, and the abominable and murderers and sorcerers and the whoremongers and idolaters, listen to this, and all liars should have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone which is the second death. I've lied before. Everybody have lied before. So we have all sinned and we've done stuff worst than lying, let's face it.

We all deserve hell but the bible says, the guy committed his love towards us and yet while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. So Jesus Christ, because he loves us came to this earth, the bible says, he was God manifest in the flesh. God basically took on human form he lives a sinless life. He did not commit any sin and of course they beat him and spit on him and nailed him to the cross. The bible says that when he was on that cross. He, himself bear our sins in his own body on the tree. So every sin you've ever done, every sin that I've ever done, it was as if Jesus had done it. He was being punished for our sins and then of course they took his body when he died. They took his body and buried it in a tomb and his soul went down to hell for three days and three nights. Acts 2:31, three days later, he rose again from the dead. He showed unto the disciples, the holes in his hands and the bible was really clear that Jesus did die for everybody. It says that he died not for our sins only but also for the sins of the whole world.

But there's something we must do to be saved. The bible says, he asked that question in Acts 16, what must I do to be saved? And they said, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved and thy house. And that's it. He didn't say join a church and you'll be saved. Be baptized and you'll be saved. Live a good life and you'll be saved. Repent of all your sins and you'll be saved. No. He said, believe. And even the most famous verse in the whole bible is written on the body ... I mean the reference is written on the bottom of the [inaudible 01:10:39] I mean it's so famous. Everybody has heard of it, John 3:16, for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life. And everlasting means everlasting, means forever. And Jesus say, I give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish neither should any man pluck them out of my hand.

The bible says in John 6:47, verily, verily, I say to you, he that believeth on me have everlasting life. So if you believe on Jesus Christ, the bible says, you have everlasting life. You're going to live forever. You can't lose your salvation. It's eternal. It's everlasting. Once you're saved. Once you believe on him. You're saved forever and no matter what you can never lose your salvation. Even if I were to go out and commit some awful sin, God will punish me for it on this earth. If I went out and killed someone today, God is going to make sure that I get punished. I'm going to prison or far worse, a death penalty. Whatever it is, God punishes me and God is going to make sure I get punished even more but I'm not going to hell.

There's nothing I could do to go to hell because I'm saved and if I went to hell. God lied because he promised that whoever believeth in him has everlasting life and he said that whosoever believeth in me shall never die. That's why there's lots of examples of people in the bible who did some really bad stuff, yet they made it to heaven. How? Because they were so good. No. It's because they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ. Their sins are forgiven. Other people who may have lived a better life in the world's eye or maybe even really they lived a better life, they don't believe in Christ, they're going to have to go to hell to be punished for their sins.

Let me just close on these one thought, one thing that I would wanted to be shared and bring up today is that there was a question that was asked to Jesus by one of his disciples and that question was this, are there few that be saved? That's a good question, right. I mean, are most people saved or is it few that are saved. Now, who here thinks that most people are going to heaven. Most people also aren't going to heaven. Guess what the answer was, he said in Matthew 7, for example, he said, enter ye in at the straight gate. He said because wide is the gate and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in there at. Because straight is the gate and narrow is the way which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. And then he went unto to say these, he said, not every one that saith unto me, Lord , Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you. Depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

And so you see, there're people out there. First of all, the majority of this world doesn't believe ever claim to believe in Jesus. Thankfully the majority of this classroom claims to believe in Jesus, okay. But the majority of the world does not claim to believe in Jesus but God warned that even amongst those who claim to believe in Jesus, even amongst those that call him Lord, many will be saying to him, " Oh Lord, we did all these wonderful works, why aren't we saved" Jesus said depart from me that because salvation is not by works. And if you're trusting your own works to save you.

If you think you're going to heaven because you've been baptized or if you think you ... well I think you have to live a good life. I think you have to keep the commandments to be saved. I think you have to go to church. I think you got to turn from your sins. Now if you're trusting in your works, Jesus is going to say to you one day depart from me, I never knew you. You have to have all our faith on what he did. You have to put your faith on what Jesus did on the cross when he died for you, is buried and rose again. That's your take-in into heaven. If you trust on all the thing ... "Oh, I'm going to heaven because I'm such a good christian and I do all these wonderful thing" Jesus says, depart from me. And notice what he said, depart from me, I never knew you. Not, I used to know you because once he knows you, remember I mentioned this earlier. It's everlasting. It's eternal. Once he knows you, you are saved forever but he's going to say, depart from me, I never knew you because he never knew you because once he knows you, he knows you.

It's just like my children will always be my children. You know, when you're born again. When you're his child. You'll always be his child. You may be the black sheep of the family. You may be somebody who gets disciplined by God heavily on this earth. You can screw up your life down here but you can't screw that up. You know, you're saved. It's a done deal. That's the main thing that I wanted to present to you about the end times. We do have just a few minutes for questions about either salvation or about the end times.