1 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:13,280 Over 4,000 years ago, God appeared to Abraham in Mesopotamia and said to him, 2 00:00:13,460 --> 00:00:20,800 "Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, 3 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:26,680 unto a land that I will show thee. And I will make of thee a great nation." 4 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:31,110 Abraham obeyed the Lord and came into the promised land of Canaan 5 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:38,200 where he lived along with his son Isaac and his grandson Jacob, who was later renamed "Israel." 6 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:43,900 Israel and his 12 sons went down into Egypt because of a famine in the land of Canaan, 7 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:50,010 and there they multiplied into a mighty nation. The Egyptians felt threatened by the powerful 8 00:00:50,010 --> 00:00:55,619 nation of Israel living among them, so they enslaved them and made their lives bitter 9 00:00:55,649 --> 00:01:02,649 with hard bondage. After 430 years in Egypt, they were lead out of bondage by Moses, 10 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:07,320 then crossed the Red Sea and went into Arabia, 11 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:11,320 where they received the law of God at Mount Sinai. 12 00:01:11,500 --> 00:01:16,080 The generation of Israelites that left Egypt with Moses were not allowed 13 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:20,640 to enter the promised land because of their lack of faith in the Lord. 14 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:27,400 They were forced to wander in the wilderness for 40 years until a new generation rose up 15 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:32,440 that trusted the Lord and entered the promised land with Joshua. 16 00:01:32,620 --> 00:01:38,240 For about 400 years, the 12 tribes of Israel were ruled by the Judges according to the 17 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:43,950 law of Moses. When they desired to have a king like all the other nations, God appointed 18 00:01:43,950 --> 00:01:50,060 Saul to be their king, who reigned over them for 40 years, followed by King David who reigned 19 00:01:50,060 --> 00:01:56,759 40 years, and David's son Solomon who reigned 40 years. During the reign of Solomon, 20 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:02,200 the kingdom of Israel was at its most glorious, and the first temple was built, 21 00:02:02,340 --> 00:02:06,700 but because Solomon's heart turned away from the Lord in his old age, 22 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:12,300 God told him that 10 of the tribes would not be ruled by his son. 23 00:02:12,310 --> 00:02:17,560 After the death of Solomon, the kingdom of Israel was divided, and the northern 10 tribes 24 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:24,520 were ruled over by a series of wicked kings, who were not descended from David and Solomon. 25 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:30,380 This Northern Kingdom retained the name of Israel and eventually had Samaria as its capital. 26 00:02:30,380 --> 00:02:37,090 The smaller Southern Kingdom became known as Judah, had Jerusalem as its capital, 27 00:02:37,090 --> 00:02:43,610 and was reigned over by the descendants of David. Starting in 2 Kings 16, the people 28 00:02:43,610 --> 00:02:49,440 of the Southern Kingdom became known as "Jews" after the name of the kingdom of Judah. 29 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:55,330 Because of the wickedness of the Northern Kingdom of Israel, they were overthrown and 30 00:02:55,330 --> 00:03:01,130 taken captive by the Assyrians. The Israelites who remained became intermingled with the 31 00:03:01,130 --> 00:03:07,260 heathen nations who came in and occupied the land. These people would become known as the 32 00:03:07,260 --> 00:03:13,560 Samaritans, and the 10 tribes of Northern Israel would never be a nation again. 33 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:19,080 The Southern Kingdom of Judah would eventually be taken captive into Babylon as a punishment 34 00:03:19,090 --> 00:03:23,890 for serving other gods, and the temple would be destroyed, 35 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:29,340 but after 70 years, the Jews returned to Judah, rebuilt the temple at Jerusalem, 36 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:34,560 and continued to be ruled by kings descended from David. 37 00:03:34,569 --> 00:03:40,949 At the time of Christ, the nation of Judah had become known as Judaea and was under Roman rule. 38 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:46,980 Jesus Christ and his disciples preached the Gospel throughout Judaea seeking after 39 00:03:47,100 --> 00:03:53,700 the lost sheep of the house of Israel. After 3 and a half years of ministry, 40 00:03:53,900 --> 00:04:00,600 the Jews rejected Jesus as their Messiah and convinced the Roman governor to crucify him. 41 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:08,060 3 days later, he rose again from the dead and showed himself alive to his disciples 42 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:12,180 before ascending up to the right hand of the Father in Heaven. 43 00:04:12,190 --> 00:04:18,330 Shortly before Jesus was crucified, he prophesied that as a punishment for rejecting him, 44 00:04:18,460 --> 00:04:27,380 Jerusalem would be burned, the temple would be destroyed, and the Jews would be led away captive into all nations. 45 00:04:27,460 --> 00:04:35,620 This prophecy was fulfilled in A.D. 70 when future Roman emperor Titus conquered Jerusalem. 46 00:04:35,780 --> 00:04:41,220 For over 1800 years, the Jews remained scattered throughout all nations. 47 00:04:43,659 --> 00:04:50,179 Then in 1948, the impossible happened. The State of Israel was founded, 48 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:54,460 and the Jews once again possessed the promised land. 49 00:04:54,580 --> 00:04:59,740 Many Christians have proclaimed this to be a miracle and a blessing from God, 50 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:11,980 but was this really the blessing of the Lord, or were darker forces at work? This film has the answer. 51 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,380 Pastor Anderson: In order to understand the founding of the modern state of Israel, 52 00:06:11,460 --> 00:06:16,160 you have to understand the history of the Jews from A.D. 70 until that time, 53 00:06:16,260 --> 00:06:20,600 and you have to understand that their religion is no longer based on the Bible whatsoever. 54 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:25,860 For example, ever since the temple was destroyed, they don't do ANY animal sacrifices. 55 00:06:25,900 --> 00:06:29,400 Rabbi Mann: As far as the animal sacrifices are concerned, that's been discontinued. 56 00:06:29,509 --> 00:06:31,249 Rabbi Abrami: Finished! 57 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,500 Rabbi Mann: And what developed in Judaism is the system of prayers, 58 00:06:34,500 --> 00:06:36,160 that sort of became a substitute. 59 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:40,140 Rabbi Wiener: Well, I think that was the beginning of modernization. I really believe that. 60 00:06:40,140 --> 00:06:46,120 Leader Schesnol: Once that temple was destroyed, Jews did not have a central location. 61 00:06:46,380 --> 00:06:51,440 They were dispersed. They literally changed the nature of Judaism, 62 00:06:51,580 --> 00:07:00,000 and that portable form of Judaism led a transformation from priestly Judaism to Rabbinic Judaism. 63 00:07:00,229 --> 00:07:05,059 Pastor Anderson: Judaism stopped being the religion of the Old Testament and began 64 00:07:05,580 --> 00:07:10,750 to be the religion of the rabbis and their traditions, or what they call "the Oral Torah." 65 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:16,700 Texe Marrs: The Talmud is the holy book of the Jews. It was the oral sayings of the rabbis. 66 00:07:16,719 --> 00:07:19,239 It's known as the wisdom of the rabbis. 67 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:25,259 Rabbi Abrami: The Talmud is a compilation of all the great discussions that took place 68 00:07:25,259 --> 00:07:35,599 from the 2nd century BC until the 5th century CE. It's a kind of encyclopedia of Jewish knowledge. 69 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:42,860 The best way of calling it would be the Jewish wikipedia of the ages. 70 00:07:42,980 --> 00:07:49,240 Yes, because many people participated in it. It's not written by one person. 71 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:54,920 Several hundred scholars - hundreds of authors. 72 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,520 Pastor Anderson: According to Judaism, the oral law, or what would later be known as 73 00:07:58,529 --> 00:08:03,649 the Talmud, was given to the 70 elders that came to the base of Mount Sinai but were not 74 00:08:03,649 --> 00:08:08,659 allowed to proceed any further. The Pharisees believed that these 70 elders received a much 75 00:08:08,659 --> 00:08:13,659 more extensive and profound revelation than Moses, which was not to be written down. 76 00:08:13,659 --> 00:08:19,460 It was only to be passed down orally. These oral traditions took precedence over the written 77 00:08:19,460 --> 00:08:25,149 Torah, or what we know as Genesis to Deuteronomy. Evidence of this is found in the Talmud itself: 78 00:08:25,149 --> 00:08:31,899 Erubin 21b: "My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the scribes 79 00:08:31,899 --> 00:08:33,759 than in the words of the Torah." 80 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,400 Rabbi Mann: That's what differentiates the orthodox from the non-orthodox. 81 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,440 Pastor Anderson: The non-orthodox see the Talmud as more man-made? 82 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,640 Rabbi Mann: More man-made in developing, and so on and so forth. 83 00:08:42,750 --> 00:08:44,890 Pastor Anderson: Whereas you believe the Talmud is inspired by God. 84 00:08:44,890 --> 00:08:46,810 Rabbi Mann: It's inspired by God. Yeah. 85 00:08:46,820 --> 00:08:51,880 Rabbi Wiener: Anything to do with scripture is considered the word of God 86 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,660 by a large segment of the... 87 00:08:53,780 --> 00:08:54,860 Pastor Anderson: Including the Talmud? 88 00:08:54,860 --> 00:08:55,740 Rabbi Wiener: Yes. 89 00:08:55,840 --> 00:09:01,260 Texe Marrs: He said, "You don't believe in the religion of Moses. You have for your religion," 90 00:09:01,260 --> 00:09:07,220 he told the Jews, "You have for your religion the traditions of the elders." 91 00:09:07,260 --> 00:09:14,260 In Mark 7:7, Jesus said of the Pharisees, "Howbeit in vain do they worship me, 92 00:09:14,420 --> 00:09:18,640 teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." 93 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,680 Pastor Anderson: And the Talmud is the doctrines of men. 94 00:09:21,780 --> 00:09:25,740 Rabbi Mann: It's not possible for an ordinary person that's not trained to just read the 95 00:09:25,740 --> 00:09:29,130 Talmud and understand the oral law. It's very complex. You need a teacher. 96 00:09:29,130 --> 00:09:31,850 Pastor Anderson: Has a typical rabbi read it cover to cover? 97 00:09:31,850 --> 00:09:34,620 Rabbi Wiener: I don't know. It depends what they studied. 98 00:09:34,620 --> 00:09:36,090 Pastor Anderson: Have you read it cover to cover? 99 00:09:36,090 --> 00:09:39,580 Rabbi Wiener: I wouldn't say I've read all 36 volumes, but I've read several. 100 00:09:39,580 --> 00:09:41,410 Pastor Anderson: You've read a lot of it obviously. 101 00:09:41,410 --> 00:09:44,870 Rabbi Wiener: Yes, but I'm sure people that devote their energies 102 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:46,900 to just study have done that. 103 00:09:46,980 --> 00:09:50,680 Pastor Anderson: The Jews have always known throughout history that if Christians knew 104 00:09:50,690 --> 00:09:56,450 what was in the Talmud, it would make Christians very angry, and so the Jews were able to conceal 105 00:09:56,540 --> 00:10:02,060 their most blasphemous statements about the Lord Jesus Christ because people didn't speak Hebrew. 106 00:10:02,060 --> 00:10:04,280 Texe Marrs: Here's what they say about Jesus in the Talmud. 107 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,880 There are sections in there about Jesus. 108 00:10:07,020 --> 00:10:11,900 In fact, there is an entire book that has been written by the director of Judaic studies 109 00:10:11,940 --> 00:10:18,780 at Princeton University, Dr. Schäfer, a Jew. He has written a book "Jesus in the Talmud." 110 00:10:18,780 --> 00:10:21,700 So if you want to know what Jesus has to do with the Talmud, 111 00:10:21,780 --> 00:10:25,920 get his book "Jesus in the Talmud" by Dr. Schäfer. 112 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:31,440 Peter Schafer is the head of Judaic studies at Princeton University. 113 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,460 In his book, “Jesus in the Talmud,” he documents and analyzes 114 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:38,320 every time Jesus is mentioned in the pages of the Talmud. 115 00:10:38,340 --> 00:10:42,680 Pastor Anderson: Keep in mind that the Talmud was written hundreds of years after Christ 116 00:10:42,690 --> 00:10:50,210 lived, and so it has references about Jesus in it, and they are hateful, blasphemous references. 117 00:10:50,420 --> 00:10:55,160 According to the Talmud, Jesus was the product of adultery: 118 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:59,720 the bastard son of Mary and a Roman Soldier named Pantera. 119 00:10:59,780 --> 00:11:06,440 He spent his early life in Egypt where he learned black magic, idolatry, and sorcery. 120 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:11,960 Texe Marrs: Jesus was born to a whore. Mary was a whore. 121 00:11:12,100 --> 00:11:16,980 She had sexual relations with many men. The father was a Roman centurion. 122 00:11:16,990 --> 00:11:23,050 The Talmud further blasphemes the Lord Jesus by calling him a fool and comparing him 123 00:11:23,050 --> 00:11:30,150 with Old Testament villains such as Balaam, Ahitophel, Doeg and Gehazi. 124 00:11:30,220 --> 00:11:32,860 Pastor Anderson: Does the Talmud talk about the Jews killing Jesus? 125 00:11:32,870 --> 00:11:37,370 Rabbi Mann: Vaguely, but Maimonides believed that the Jews killed him - 126 00:11:37,540 --> 00:11:41,620 that the Jews executed him because of certain of his doctrines and so forth. 127 00:11:41,630 --> 00:11:44,140 Pastor Anderson: Do you believe that the Jews killed Jesus? 128 00:11:44,140 --> 00:11:49,670 Rabbi Mann: It's possible that the Jews did kill Jesus. Let's say they did. Maybe he deserved 129 00:11:49,670 --> 00:11:54,350 to die. Maybe he was a troublemaker. Let's assume we did. So we killed somebody. 130 00:11:54,350 --> 00:11:59,340 Pastor Anderson: The Talmud actually gloats about Jesus dying young. The passage reads, 131 00:11:59,340 --> 00:12:05,420 "Hast thou heard how old Balaam was? He replied, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out 132 00:12:05,420 --> 00:12:11,300 half their days. It follows that he was 33 or 34 years old." You say, "Wait, that passage 133 00:12:11,300 --> 00:12:17,420 says Balaam, not Jesus," but look at the footnote at the bottom of the page: "Balaam is frequently 134 00:12:17,420 --> 00:12:22,490 used in the Talmud as a type of Jesus." Not only that, but in the Jewish encyclopedia, 135 00:12:24,460 --> 00:12:31,460 Volume 2, page 469, under Balaam it says, "Balaam - given to Jesus in San Hedrin 106b 136 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,590 and Gittin 57a. 137 00:12:33,590 --> 00:12:38,930 Peter Schafer states in his book “Jesus in the Talmud” that there can be no doubt 138 00:12:38,930 --> 00:12:45,220 that the narrative of the execution in the Talmud refers to Jesus. In fact the book states, 139 00:12:45,220 --> 00:12:52,220 "There is no reason to feel ashamed because we rightfully executed a blasphemer and idolater. 140 00:12:52,380 --> 00:12:56,360 Jesus deserved death, and he got what he deserved.” 141 00:12:56,370 --> 00:13:02,760 Elsewhere the book states, "He was a blasphemer and idolater, and although the Romans probably 142 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:09,760 could not care less, we insisted that he get what he deserved. We even convinced the Roman 143 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:16,920 governor (or more precisely: forced him to accept) that this heretic and impostor needed 144 00:13:17,020 --> 00:13:22,060 to be executed - and we are proud of it.” 145 00:13:22,060 --> 00:13:26,570 Schafer said in an article that appeared in Publishers Weekly concerning his new book 146 00:13:26,570 --> 00:13:33,570 "I certainly don't want to harm Jewish-Christian dialogue. But dialogue requires honesty, and 147 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,260 I'm trying to be honest.” 148 00:13:36,380 --> 00:13:41,500 Texe Marrs: There are Messianic Jews today, who want to take the Talmud and make it Christian. 149 00:13:41,500 --> 00:13:45,540 How can you take a damnable book and make it Christian? 150 00:13:45,700 --> 00:13:48,560 All of these lies about Jesus are right there. 151 00:13:48,570 --> 00:13:53,730 Rabbi Abrami: The church fathers blamed the Jews for the death of Jesus, 152 00:13:53,780 --> 00:14:04,580 and that is Paul's doing. It was Paul's doing in the epistle to the Thessalonians 2:14-15 153 00:14:04,660 --> 00:14:07,340 "For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God 154 00:14:07,420 --> 00:14:11,660 which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things 155 00:14:11,670 --> 00:14:17,150 of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus..." 156 00:14:17,150 --> 00:14:18,360 Pastor Anderson: Now, what does that say? 157 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:27,760 Rabbi Abrami: This has poisoned the minds of generations of Christians unfortunately. 158 00:14:27,820 --> 00:14:28,900 Did you know that? 159 00:14:28,900 --> 00:14:29,940 Pastor Anderson: So, 1 Thessalonians 2... 160 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:31,400 Rabbi Abrami: This is Paul! 161 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:40,480 To this day 26% of all Americans believe the Jews were responsible in the death of Jesus. 162 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,420 Texe Marrs: When Mel Gibson came out with his "The Passion of the Christ," they said, 163 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:48,660 "Oh, he's an anti-semite! What a horrible person! He says the Jews killed Jesus!" 164 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,100 Well, that's what the Bible says. 165 00:14:51,110 --> 00:15:00,390 Rabbi Abrami: The film "The Passion of the Christ" when shown, it went from 26% to 36% 166 00:15:00,500 --> 00:15:07,980 because people are so gullible. It portrays the Jews as evil people, which is nonsense! 167 00:15:08,060 --> 00:15:12,480 Pastor Anderson: The Jews call this "the myth that the Jews killed Jesus." Let me explain 168 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,580 something to you: the fact that the Jews killed Jesus is not a myth. It's Bible. 169 00:15:16,580 --> 00:15:23,210 Rabbi Abrami: Christians believed it, and they still do today. They still do today! 170 00:15:23,210 --> 00:15:27,930 It was ingrained in their mind. They blamed all the Jews, 171 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,160 even though most of the Jews were not there. 172 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,360 Pastor Anderson: Look at Acts 3:13, it says: 173 00:15:33,370 --> 00:15:39,070 "The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified 174 00:15:39,070 --> 00:15:45,230 his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, 175 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,000 when he was determined to let him go." 176 00:15:47,010 --> 00:15:51,130 Pastor Anderson: Here he is preaching to thousands of Jews, and he says: 177 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:57,800 "And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers." 178 00:15:57,810 --> 00:16:03,050 Pastor Anderson: Wait a minute. I thought it was just the rulers? No, he said, 179 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:07,520 "You did it, as also did your rulers." That means it wasn't just the rulers, it was the people also. 180 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:14,450 If we read the scriptural account, the people were crying out, a mass throng of thousands 181 00:16:14,450 --> 00:16:20,690 and thousands of the Jews are crying out, "Crucify him!" And he says, "Shall I crucify 182 00:16:20,690 --> 00:16:27,590 your king?" "We have no king but Caesar." "I am free from the blood of this just person," 183 00:16:27,590 --> 00:16:35,130 said the Roman Pilate. "His blood be on us and on our children!" That's what they said. 184 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:42,440 Texe Marrs: It states in there that Jesus corrupted Judaism, and as punishment for his crimes, 185 00:16:42,540 --> 00:16:50,820 he is now in Hell burning in fiery excrement, and he shall so be forever. 186 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:55,360 Pastor Coleman: They hate Jesus Christ. They hate the name. I think it is because they are 187 00:16:55,460 --> 00:16:59,960 children of the Devil, not children of God. Therefore the Devil - look at the hatred 188 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,760 he has for Christ, so what do you think his children are going to have? 189 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:07,700 Texe Marrs: The average Jew believes that the Old Testament is a wonderful book of myths 190 00:17:07,709 --> 00:17:17,049 and stories that have good meaning, but you can understand the Old Testament only by studying 191 00:17:17,049 --> 00:17:19,060 the Talmud and the Kabbalah. 192 00:17:19,180 --> 00:17:23,040 Pastor Anderson: The Jews stop believing in the Torah starting in Genesis chapter 1. 193 00:17:23,180 --> 00:17:28,880 Rabbi Wiener: I believe that creation is a design that is unending. Evolution is part 194 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:33,030 of the process, and the beginning to me...you know, there are people who talk about 195 00:17:33,030 --> 00:17:36,240 the Big Bang Theory. I have no quarrel with them. 196 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:40,320 Pastor Anderson: So you don't take the beginning of Genesis with the Garden of Eden 197 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:42,320 and the serpent...you don't take that literally then? 198 00:17:42,330 --> 00:17:44,690 Rabbi Wiener: No, to me, those are parables. 199 00:17:44,690 --> 00:17:48,080 Pastor Anderson: When you look at the key teachings of the books of Moses, 200 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:52,660 Genesis to Deuteronomy, the Jews don't really believe any of these. 201 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:54,900 Circumcision I know is a big part of... 202 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:56,100 Leader Schesnol: Ouch! 203 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,260 Pastor Anderson: It's a big part of Judaism I think. Am I right? 204 00:18:00,340 --> 00:18:00,840 Leader Schesnol: It is. 205 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:07,160 Rabbi Wiener: If an adult comes to me for conversion and is not circumcised, then it 206 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:15,340 is a very simple matter. You take a pin and just prick the p****, 207 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,320 so that a drop of blood comes out, and that's enough. 208 00:18:18,330 --> 00:18:19,559 Pastor Anderson: So it's more symbolic? 209 00:18:19,559 --> 00:18:20,280 Rabbi Wiener: Right. 210 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:26,510 Leader Schesnol: Just to represent the willingness to be able to be part of that covenant. 211 00:18:26,510 --> 00:18:33,810 Pastor Anderson: So, they don't remove the whole foreskin? They just do more of a symbolic... 212 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:34,900 Leader Schesnol: Exactly. 213 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:39,560 Pastor Anderson: Well, in the Torah, Abraham was 99 when he was circumcised, 214 00:18:39,700 --> 00:18:45,200 and his son Ishmael was 13, but nowadays they don't? 215 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:46,380 Leader Schesnol: They don't. 216 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,740 Pastor Anderson: Now we as New Testament Christians don't practice circumcision, 217 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:55,300 but the Jews, remember, are saying that they still follow that Mosaic law, so if they were actually 218 00:18:55,300 --> 00:19:00,830 following it, they would have to remove the foreskin and circumcise that adult convert. 219 00:19:00,830 --> 00:19:02,370 That's what the Torah teaches. 220 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:07,180 Pastor Berzins: I've heard it said so many times, "Oh, the Jews just believe the Old 221 00:19:07,210 --> 00:19:12,870 Testament. They believe everything we do, just without Jesus," and that is a lie. 222 00:19:12,870 --> 00:19:16,860 They don't believe God. They don't believe Jesus Christ. They don't believe the Old Testament, 223 00:19:16,860 --> 00:19:19,220 and they don't believe the New Testament. They don't believe any of it. 224 00:19:19,220 --> 00:19:24,650 Rabbi Wiener: And how is it determined which is good and which is bad? That's called "civilization." 225 00:19:24,650 --> 00:19:31,650 People get together and determine, "You shouldn't steal." So civilization says, "That's bad." 226 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:37,900 That's how you measure good. If you come from a society where stealing is good, 227 00:19:37,910 --> 00:19:42,870 then that's how that civilization determines good from bad. If you don't steal, you're bad. 228 00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:44,240 If you do steal, you're part of us. 229 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,180 Pastor Anderson: Is there an absolute right and wrong 230 00:19:46,260 --> 00:19:48,420 where stealing is always wrong because God said so? 231 00:19:48,420 --> 00:19:50,840 Rabbi Wiener: There's no absolute in my opinion. 232 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,860 Pastor Romero: It says in John 5:46-47 233 00:19:53,860 --> 00:19:58,720 "For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. 234 00:19:58,740 --> 00:20:03,060 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?" 235 00:20:03,070 --> 00:20:08,330 Pastor Romero: Jesus Christ is telling the Jews of his day that they did not believe 236 00:20:08,330 --> 00:20:13,040 Moses. Their whole claim was that they believe Moses, and they don't believe him, 237 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:17,480 but he explains here, that if you don't believe in him, then you don't believe in Moses. 238 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:22,080 Rabbi Wiener: We practice differently. We believe differently, and maybe our approach 239 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:28,120 is different, but the destination is the same. We're trying to reach God, 240 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,040 and that's the whole objective. 241 00:20:30,140 --> 00:20:33,680 Pastor Anderson: So you believe that all religions are going to the same destination, 242 00:20:33,740 --> 00:20:35,500 just taking different routes to get there? 243 00:20:35,500 --> 00:20:38,300 Rabbi Wiener: Exactly! And different ways to get there, and different understandings 244 00:20:38,300 --> 00:20:42,780 of how they get there, but that doesn't make one better than the other. There is no one 245 00:20:42,780 --> 00:20:48,530 path to God. There is no one understanding of God. To understand God, we have to understand 246 00:20:48,530 --> 00:20:51,530 each other. We have to understand ourselves. 247 00:20:51,660 --> 00:20:59,540 Rabbi Abrami: There is no such thing as a salvation that transforms. You do what is right, 248 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:06,840 and you save yourself at every moment. God is not in Heaven. If someone starts telling me 249 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:13,200 that a soul is in Heaven...what do they know about the souls, the spiritual souls 250 00:21:13,870 --> 00:21:20,470 of people in Heaven? This is for children! You have to tell them this way. 251 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:27,720 "How come grandfather didn't come home today?" "Oh, he's in Heaven." 252 00:21:27,940 --> 00:21:33,440 Pastor Anderson: What about Hell? Is Hell something that is part of Judaism, or no? 253 00:21:34,530 --> 00:21:36,200 Being like a place of fiery punishment... 254 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:41,790 Rabbi Abrami: I have been in Hell. What we call Hell is the Valley of Hinnom. 255 00:21:41,790 --> 00:21:43,900 Pastor Anderson: Tophet also, right? 256 00:21:43,900 --> 00:21:48,240 Rabbi Abrami: There is a place right outside of Jerusalem that is called 257 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:58,820 the Valley of the sons of Hinnom. It was a place where pagans used to offer human sacrifices, 258 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:08,420 and by extrapolation, somehow they imagined that there was a place like that 259 00:22:08,860 --> 00:22:12,619 in the universe somewhere where wicked people would be going. 260 00:22:12,620 --> 00:22:15,540 Pastor Anderson: So you don't believe that the Old Testament teaches 261 00:22:15,540 --> 00:22:17,559 any kind of a literal Hell? 262 00:22:17,559 --> 00:22:18,399 Rabbi Abrami: No. 263 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:19,520 Pastor Anderson: Okay, alright. 264 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:24,120 Rabbi Wiener: A lot of people will tell you the Bible says that if you don't do something 265 00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:28,090 you'll have a bad life, or you'll go to the netherworld... 266 00:22:28,090 --> 00:22:29,600 Pastor Anderson: Hell 267 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:36,110 Rabbi Wiener: Right, well, we don't subscribe to that anyway, but my feeling is different. 268 00:22:36,110 --> 00:22:40,570 Pastor Anderson: If the Jews don't believe in the creation story of Genesis 1, they don't 269 00:22:40,570 --> 00:22:44,780 believe the story of Adam and Eve literally, they don't believe in Noah, they don't believe 270 00:22:44,780 --> 00:22:48,960 in the Tower of Babel, they scoff at these stories, they don't believe in circumcising adults 271 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:55,130 they don't believe in the animal sacrifices, what part of the Torah do they believe in?! 272 00:22:55,130 --> 00:23:00,220 This is supposedly their most exalted book, yet when you look at all the particulars of 273 00:23:00,220 --> 00:23:02,970 what the Torah teaches, they don't believe any of it. 274 00:23:02,970 --> 00:23:09,670 Pastor Anderson: Today you have a lot of evangelical Christians in America that are very pro-Israel. 275 00:23:09,670 --> 00:23:10,790 Rabbi Mann: Very. 276 00:23:10,790 --> 00:23:17,250 Pastor Anderson: Christians are just really zealous in their support of Israel. 277 00:23:17,300 --> 00:23:18,960 Now has it always been that way throughout history? 278 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:19,920 Leader Schesnol: Oh, God, no! 279 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,900 Pastor Anderson: or is that a newer phenomenon? 280 00:23:21,910 --> 00:23:25,770 Leader Schesnol: No, it hasn't been that way throughout history. 281 00:23:25,770 --> 00:23:31,880 Rabbi Mann: Traditionally Christianity was essentially anti-Semitic. The phenomenon of 282 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:37,080 the Christian Zionists is relatively recent. They maintain that the Jews are God's chosen 283 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:41,540 people and will always be God's chosen people. They use the term "the apple of God's eye." 284 00:23:41,540 --> 00:23:43,260 Pastor Anderson: And that's a more recent phenomenon? 285 00:23:43,260 --> 00:23:45,560 Rabbi Mann: Yeah, I'd say a few hundred years, as far as I know. 286 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,380 That does not go all the way back. 287 00:23:47,390 --> 00:23:52,890 Rabbi Abrami: Replacement theology has played a very important role in Christianity. 288 00:23:52,890 --> 00:23:55,600 TV Preacher 1: What is replacement theology? 289 00:23:55,600 --> 00:24:01,280 Hal Lindsey: Replacement theology is the root and branch of Christian anti-Semitism. 290 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,820 TV Preacher 2: It's like a virus in the church. 291 00:24:03,820 --> 00:24:09,180 TV Preacher 3: Basically it is saying that the church now has superseded Israel, 292 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:15,460 and this theology that discards the place of the Jewish people and replaces it with the church, 293 00:24:15,460 --> 00:24:20,560 the new and true spiritual Israel, is very dangerous because I believe 294 00:24:20,660 --> 00:24:22,799 it's the primary root of anti-Semitism. 295 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:29,519 Rabbi Abrami: Many theologians all through the centuries have preached replacement theology. 296 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,420 Pastor Anderson: Can you name some that have preached that? 297 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:37,280 Rabbi Abrami: I have here everything about John Chrysostom. 298 00:24:37,340 --> 00:24:40,760 He is the chief anti-Semite of the church. 299 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:47,760 John Chrysostom: “The synagogue is worse than a brothel…it is the den of scoundrels 300 00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:54,830 and the repair of wild beasts…the temple of demons devoted to idolatrous cults…the 301 00:24:54,890 --> 00:25:07,430 refuge of debauchees, and the cavern of devils. It is a criminal assembly of Jews… 302 00:25:07,660 --> 00:25:15,660 a place of meeting for the assassins of Christ…a den of thieves, a dwelling of iniquity, 303 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:27,340 the refuge of devils, a gulf and an abyss of perdition. I would say the same things about their souls.” 304 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:36,240 Rabbi Abrami: They have demonized the Jews. This is still present in the minds of many. 305 00:25:36,340 --> 00:25:40,380 Pastor Anderson: Throughout history, Christians have not looked at the Jews as God's chosen 306 00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:45,340 people. They looked at them as a people that rejected Christ and were therefore rejected 307 00:25:45,340 --> 00:25:51,090 by God. For example, the last book written by Martin Luther before he died was called 308 00:25:51,090 --> 00:25:57,130 "On the Jews and Their Lies," and in this book, he gives all kinds of scriptural arguments 309 00:25:57,130 --> 00:26:02,420 for why the Jews are not God's chosen people, and he also exposes a lot of the blasphemous 310 00:26:02,420 --> 00:26:04,049 teachings of the Talmud. 311 00:26:04,049 --> 00:26:09,490 Texe Marrs: His very last sermon, he preached about the Jews, and he said the Jews hate 312 00:26:09,490 --> 00:26:16,490 our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, and through their perfidious behavior, they create all 313 00:26:16,580 --> 00:26:24,240 kinds of stratagems and ruses to deceive us. And he got so angry at them, he actually said 314 00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:30,900 we should go and burn all their copies of the Talmud. He was infuriated about the Talmud. 315 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,220 Of course, today the Jews consider him a great anti-Semite. 316 00:26:34,260 --> 00:26:35,860 Rabbi Abrami: St. Augustine was no better. 317 00:26:35,970 --> 00:26:38,020 Pastor Anderson: He was also anti-Semitic? 318 00:26:38,020 --> 00:26:44,540 Rabbi Abrami: That's right! He was very demeaning. All this is pure hatred. 319 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:49,140 Pastor Anderson: It doesn't matter whether you're listening to John Chrysostom, St. Augustine, 320 00:26:49,140 --> 00:26:56,140 Peter the Venerable, Martin Luther, John Calvin...you name the church father. You name the protestant 321 00:26:56,250 --> 00:27:00,510 leader throughout history. They are all saying the same thing about the Jews: that they're 322 00:27:00,510 --> 00:27:05,670 the Synagogue of Satan, that it's a false religion. This doctrine that the Jew 323 00:27:05,670 --> 00:27:08,290 are still God's chosen people is a new doctrine. 324 00:27:08,290 --> 00:27:13,140 Texe Marrs: You know, back before the late 1800s, everybody recognized what we're talking 325 00:27:13,140 --> 00:27:19,000 about now, but something began to change, first with Dr. Cyrus Scofield. 326 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,660 Pastor Furse: C.I. Scofield was a divorced man. He had trouble with alcohol. He was a 327 00:27:23,660 --> 00:27:30,520 lawyer turned preacher. He left his first wife Leontine Cerrè in 1883. That's the year 328 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:36,010 AFTER he wrote his first book "Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth." So in 1882 he writes his 329 00:27:36,010 --> 00:27:40,780 first book "Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth," and in 1883 he leaves his first wife, marries 330 00:27:40,780 --> 00:27:47,010 another lady, and then becomes a pastor in Texas - very famous, very popular. Scofield's 331 00:27:47,010 --> 00:27:52,040 dispensational, premillennial Bible was edited with financial assistance from prominent businessmen, 332 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,900 some of which had questionable religious ties. 333 00:27:54,900 --> 00:28:01,760 Texe Marrs: He had Jewish retainers who made him a member of the Lotus club - sort of a 334 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:07,000 secret society - and suddenly he had plenty of money. This corrupt lawyer who had abandoned 335 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:12,290 his wife and was found guilty of numerous offenses as a corrupt attorney - but Scofield 336 00:28:12,290 --> 00:28:18,990 was given money, and the Oxford group out of England published his Bible. Why would 337 00:28:18,990 --> 00:28:25,040 they take a crooked lawyer and make him the editor of a Bible? And then suddenly they 338 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:31,390 had millions of dollars to promote it. With that amount of money, the Bible took off, 339 00:28:31,390 --> 00:28:35,559 and it basically sealed the deal for the Jews. 340 00:28:35,559 --> 00:28:41,030 Pastor Anderson: The Scofield Reference Bible is very pro-Israel, very Zionist, and this 341 00:28:41,030 --> 00:28:44,090 book more than any other book changed the thinking 342 00:28:44,090 --> 00:28:47,260 of an entire generation of young preacher boys. 343 00:28:47,260 --> 00:28:52,370 Pastor Jimenez: Another belief that Christians have today, that is an incorrect belief, that 344 00:28:52,370 --> 00:28:58,230 is not found in scripture, is the belief that we should bless Israel. They go back to what 345 00:28:58,230 --> 00:29:02,950 they refer to as the Abrahamic covenant. They go back to Genesis 12, and they say, 346 00:29:02,980 --> 00:29:06,420 "We have to bless Israel if we want God's blessing, we have to bless them." 347 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:15,400 Genesis 12:1-3 is the key scripture where God calls and blesses Abraham. It reads, 348 00:29:15,540 --> 00:29:22,040 “Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, 349 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:29,120 and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: and I will make of thee 350 00:29:29,130 --> 00:29:38,350 a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: 351 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:45,320 and I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: 352 00:29:45,620 --> 00:29:51,620 and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.” 353 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:56,280 Pastor Anderson: Now according to this scripture, God is making a covenant with Abraham, and 354 00:29:56,290 --> 00:30:02,230 he tells Abraham, "I will bless THEE." The word "thee" is singular. He is speaking to Abraham. 355 00:30:02,300 --> 00:30:07,520 Well, in Scofield's notes on Genesis 12, he applies this blessing unto the future 356 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:13,040 nation of Israel. That is not what the scripture teaches. Many evangelical Christians today 357 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,020 do not get their doctrine on Israel from anything that's written in the New Testament. 358 00:30:17,020 --> 00:30:20,560 They are getting it from the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible. 359 00:30:20,700 --> 00:30:24,040 When you are reading these promises made to Abraham in the Old Testament, 360 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:28,340 you have to realize what the Bible teaches in Galatians 3:16, when it says: 361 00:30:28,340 --> 00:30:32,400 "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made..." 362 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,370 Pastor Jimenez: Now if we stopped right there, all the Christians of today, or Zionists, 363 00:30:36,370 --> 00:30:41,250 or whoever, could say, "See! It was to Abraham and his seed, but the verse goes on. It says: 364 00:30:41,250 --> 00:30:46,070 "He saith not, And to seeds..." (with an "s" at the end making it plural) 365 00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:54,210 "He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ." 366 00:30:54,250 --> 00:30:58,130 Pastor Anderson: So according to the Bible, the promises made to Abraham were made 367 00:30:58,130 --> 00:31:03,020 unto Abraham and unto Christ, and the Bible says in verse 29: 368 00:31:03,020 --> 00:31:10,020 "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." 369 00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:15,200 Pastor Anderson: According to the Bible, we as Christians, whether we be Jew or Gentile, 370 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:20,280 are the heirs of the promises made to Abraham. Those today, who are in the Middle East 371 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:26,200 in the nation of Israel, they are not in Christ. 99% of them do not believe in Jesus Christ. 372 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,460 Therefore they are not the seed of Abraham. 373 00:31:28,580 --> 00:31:32,340 Therefore Genesis 12:1-3 does not apply unto them. 374 00:31:32,340 --> 00:31:36,760 Pastor Furse: People will say, "Well, we have got to support Israel if we want God's blessing 375 00:31:36,770 --> 00:31:41,049 on ourselves, if we want God's blessing on our church, if we want God's blessing 376 00:31:41,049 --> 00:31:46,560 on our nation, we must support a physical Israel. Well, if you just count back the last 377 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:53,740 66 or 67 years of American history, do you find the blessing of God on our country? 378 00:31:53,900 --> 00:32:01,260 Did we have legalized abortion back in the 1940s? No, it has come since then. What was our debt 379 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:06,580 in the 1940s versus today? What were we like then compared to what we are now? 380 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:12,800 You can't convince me that the blessings of God have fallen on this country because a "promise" 381 00:32:12,809 --> 00:32:18,600 to support a physical group of people somehow correlates to blessings from God. 382 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,120 Pastor Anderson: Not only that, but if you look at the history of the Jews over the last 383 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:27,510 2,000 years, have they been blessed by God? No, they've been persecuted and hated in every 384 00:32:27,510 --> 00:32:33,419 country that they've ever been in. This book right here has a list of all of the countries 385 00:32:33,419 --> 00:32:38,179 that the Jews have been thrown out of over the last 1,000 years, and when you look at this 386 00:32:38,179 --> 00:32:42,750 huge list, you have to ask yourself, "Why have they been so hated and persecuted everywhere 387 00:32:42,750 --> 00:32:47,630 that they've lived?" The answer is because of their blasphemy toward Christianity 388 00:32:47,630 --> 00:32:50,570 and because of their predatory lending practices. 389 00:32:50,570 --> 00:32:57,220 In the late 1800s, persecution of the Jews in Russia and elsewhere intensified, and many 390 00:32:57,220 --> 00:33:02,330 Jews began to believe that their only hope for a prosperous future would be to possess 391 00:33:02,330 --> 00:33:07,890 a state of their own. This belief became known as "Zionism." 392 00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:14,720 Rabbi Abrami: The Jewish state was the realization of the great project of Theodore Hertzl. 393 00:33:14,730 --> 00:33:16,230 Pastor Anderson: Theodore Hertzl? 394 00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:18,890 Rabbi Wiener: He was the founder of Zionism. 395 00:33:18,890 --> 00:33:24,559 Rabbi Mann: He came to the idea that the cause of anti-Semitism is that the Jews do not have 396 00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:26,439 a state of their own. 397 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:31,500 Rabbi Abrami: And he wrote a little booklet "The State of the Jews," and he said there 398 00:33:31,510 --> 00:33:38,510 is only one way of protecting the Jewish people in the future: for the Jews to leave Europe 399 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:49,220 and to settle in their homeland, the land of Israel. That book became the Bible of Zionism. 400 00:33:49,260 --> 00:33:54,660 Rabbi Wiener: Zionism was the formation of the hope for the rebirth. 401 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:59,700 It started with World War 1 - the Balfour Declaration. 402 00:33:59,700 --> 00:34:03,760 Rabbi Mann: The Balfour Declaration was significant. It wasn't just a letter to a friend. 403 00:34:03,770 --> 00:34:05,929 Pastor Anderson: I understand it was major document... 404 00:34:05,929 --> 00:34:07,689 Rabbi Mann: ...in terms of expressing British policy. 405 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,960 Pastor Anderson: So the Balfour Declaration was a letter from Lord Balfour... 406 00:34:10,970 --> 00:34:13,110 Rabbi Abrami: ...to Lord Rothschild. 407 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:18,100 Pastor Anderson: In World War 1, Turkey was an ally of Germany, who was the losing side, 408 00:34:18,109 --> 00:34:23,210 so the Turkish-Ottoman Empire was dismantled. Because the Turkish Empire was dismantled 409 00:34:23,210 --> 00:34:28,770 after World War 1, the British Lord Balfour wrote a declaration 410 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,600 saying that it should be a homeland for the Jews. 411 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:36,820 Rabbi Abrami: Yes, that was the beginning of the larger immigration - tens of thousands 412 00:34:36,820 --> 00:34:44,100 of Jews from Eastern Europe mainly went to settle in Israel. 413 00:34:44,100 --> 00:34:48,060 Pastor Anderson: The Balfour Declaration was a letter written to Lord Rothschild, so in 414 00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:52,330 order to understand the Balfour Declaration, we have to know who Rothschild was. 415 00:34:52,330 --> 00:34:54,110 Mayer Amschel Rothschild: Money is power! 416 00:34:54,110 --> 00:34:58,160 Money is the only weapon that the Jew has to defend himself with! 417 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:05,619 Mayer Amschel Bauer, born in Frankfurt, Germany, in 1744, was a money lender and goldsmith 418 00:35:05,619 --> 00:35:10,399 on Jew Street, whose shop had a sign out front with a red hexagram on it. 419 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:16,240 Eventually, he would change his name to "Rothschild" which is German for "red sign." 420 00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:21,320 Rothschild soon learned that loaning money to governments and kings was more profitable 421 00:35:21,330 --> 00:35:26,349 than loaning money to private individuals. Not only were the loans bigger, but they were 422 00:35:26,349 --> 00:35:32,009 secured by the nation's taxes. Mayer Rothschild had 5 sons whom he trained 423 00:35:32,009 --> 00:35:36,949 in the skills of money creation and sent out to the major capitals of Europe 424 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,460 to open branches of the family banking business. 425 00:35:40,460 --> 00:35:45,780 Mayer Amschel Rothschild: You are five brothers. I want you each to start a banking business 426 00:35:45,780 --> 00:35:53,680 in a different country - one to go and open a house in Paris, one in Vienna, one in London 427 00:35:53,680 --> 00:36:01,660 - choose the most important centers, so that when money is to be sent from here to London, 428 00:36:01,740 --> 00:36:10,500 let us say, you won't have to risk life and gold. Amschel here in Frankfurt will just 429 00:36:10,500 --> 00:36:18,940 send a letter to Nathan in London saying, "Pay so and so," and that will be offset by 430 00:36:18,940 --> 00:36:23,560 loans from London to Frankfurt. Do you understand? 431 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,240 Five sons: Yes, father. 432 00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:30,240 Mayer Amschel Rothschild: In your day, there will be many wars in Europe, and nations that 433 00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:38,620 have money to transport will come to the Rothschilds because it will be safe. Your five banking 434 00:36:38,620 --> 00:36:47,800 houses may cover Europe, but you will be one firm - one family: the Rothschilds, 435 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:53,440 who work always together. That will be your power. 436 00:36:54,520 --> 00:37:01,060 When Mayer Amschel Rothschild died in 1812, he left a will instructing his sons 437 00:37:01,060 --> 00:37:04,250 in how the House of Rothschild would be operated. 438 00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:10,100 - All key positions in the House of Rothschild were to be held by members of the family. 439 00:37:10,100 --> 00:37:14,360 - The family was to intermarry with their own first and second cousins, 440 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:20,100 thus preserving the vast fortune. - Rothschild's heirs were strictly forbidden 441 00:37:20,109 --> 00:37:23,589 to ever disclose the amount of their wealth 442 00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:30,120 The whole family was driven by an insatiable lust for the accumulation of wealth and power. 443 00:37:30,140 --> 00:37:36,150 They secretly financed both sides in various European wars, dominated European banking, 444 00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:41,490 and by the mid-1800s had become the richest family in the world. 445 00:37:41,490 --> 00:37:46,750 Texe Marrs: Rothschild helped found Israel, and Rothschild has always been 446 00:37:46,750 --> 00:37:51,290 the backer of Israel. Whatever Rothschild wants, he gets. 447 00:37:51,290 --> 00:37:57,180 It is believed that he is the richest man in the world, and I have little doubt of that. 448 00:37:57,180 --> 00:38:03,400 Although the Balfour Declaration was given to Lord Rothschild in 1917, it would not be 449 00:38:03,530 --> 00:38:10,040 until 1947 that the plan for a Jewish state would be implemented. It would take the horrors 450 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:16,760 of World War 2 to get public opinion behind creating a Jewish state in the land of Palestine. 451 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:22,780 Pastor Anderson: In 1947, the United Nations declared that there would be two states 452 00:38:22,780 --> 00:38:26,349 in Palestine. There would be a Jewish state and a Palestinian state. 453 00:38:26,349 --> 00:38:31,790 US Ambassador: The United States delegation supports the basic principles of the unanimous 454 00:38:31,790 --> 00:38:37,150 recommendations by the United Nations, which provide for a partition and immigration. 455 00:38:37,150 --> 00:38:41,680 Announcer: Later, Russia supported the United States on the partition recommendation, 456 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:48,540 while Arab states threatened reprisals, as the holy land's future hangs in the balance. 457 00:38:48,540 --> 00:38:52,600 Texe Marrs: But Israel became the first state, and they've never allowed 458 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,860 Palestine to become a state, so they've made sure 459 00:38:55,860 --> 00:38:59,820 that the United Nations provision has never been put into effect. 460 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:07,500 On May 14, 1948, David Ben-Gurion, the Executive Head of the Zionist Organization 461 00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:12,820 declared “the establishment of the Jewish State in the land of Israel.” 462 00:39:12,820 --> 00:39:18,360 Announcer: In May 1948, a new Jewish state "Israel" was born in a bath of blood. 463 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,859 Jewish troops routed Arab forces from the city of Haifa in the first of a series of battles 464 00:39:22,859 --> 00:39:27,560 that were to reverberate through the years. The new government headed by David Ben-Gurion 465 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:32,480 is installed in Tel Aviv. Thus for the first time since the Roman legion destroyed Jerusalem 466 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:37,180 in the year 70 A.D., the Jewish people have a nation of their own. 467 00:39:37,180 --> 00:39:41,500 Pastor Jimenez: Today a lot of Christians think that God brought the nation of Israel back, 468 00:39:41,500 --> 00:39:47,080 and God did this wonderful work, but was it really the will of God to bring these 469 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:51,720 people back into Israel, or was it the will of the United Nations? 470 00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:55,500 Pastor Anderson: The Bible tells us very clearly in Hebrews 4 that when they first came to 471 00:39:55,510 --> 00:40:00,610 the promised land with Moses, "They could not enter in because of unbelief." 472 00:40:00,610 --> 00:40:06,840 Then 40 years later, their children who believed the Lord were allowed to enter the promised land. 473 00:40:06,849 --> 00:40:11,270 Then later, they worshiped other gods, and what did God do? He removed them from 474 00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:17,030 the promised land. They went to Babylon for 70 years. Then after they repented and turned 475 00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:21,730 away from their false gods, they were brought back to the promised land. Then when they 476 00:40:21,730 --> 00:40:27,990 rejected Jesus Christ, they were removed from the promised land again, and then in 1947, 477 00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:32,480 they all believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, and God brought them back to the promised land. 478 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,420 Is that what happened? No! 479 00:40:34,420 --> 00:40:40,480 Pastor Coleman: Did they believe in Christ? Look, Christian out there, ask yourself this question: 480 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:45,680 Was there a revival going on in Israel? Were people accepting Jesus as their Messiah? 481 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:51,120 The answer is no. Therefore that was not God bringing back Israel 482 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:56,140 because they believed in him. He said he would scatter them if they didn't keep his word, 483 00:40:56,140 --> 00:40:59,760 and he did. He said he would bring them back when they turned unto him. 484 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,380 They have not turned unto him. 485 00:41:01,380 --> 00:41:05,900 Pastor Anderson: So if it's not the Lord who brought them back, who did bring them back? 486 00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:10,260 It was the spirit of antichrist that brought them back to the promised land. 487 00:41:10,260 --> 00:41:14,880 It was United Nations who brought them back to the promised land. 488 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:19,440 Announcer: Thus history was made as the Jewish state of Israel was born. Conceived in strife 489 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:24,490 and weaned on violence, Israel has flourished to become a constructive voice in world affairs. 490 00:41:24,490 --> 00:41:31,220 Her flag became a symbol of hope in a troubled world. 491 00:41:31,220 --> 00:41:34,660 Pastor Anderson: The star of David? Where does that symbol come from? 492 00:41:34,660 --> 00:41:39,100 Rabbi Abrami: It's never written explicitly in the Bible itself? 493 00:41:39,100 --> 00:41:40,960 Pastor Anderson: Is it in the Talmud? 494 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:41,860 Leader Schesnol: No. 495 00:41:41,860 --> 00:41:43,900 Pastor Anderson: Is there a passage in the Bible about that, or no? 496 00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:44,700 Rabbi Wiener: No. 497 00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:47,650 Pastor Anderson: So you're not really sure exactly where that comes from? 498 00:41:47,650 --> 00:41:48,349 Rabbi Wiener: No. 499 00:41:48,349 --> 00:41:49,530 Rabbi Mann: You've got me! 500 00:41:49,530 --> 00:41:50,940 Pastor Anderson: So nobody knows, huh? 501 00:41:50,940 --> 00:41:52,740 Rabbi Mann: I don't know. 502 00:41:52,740 --> 00:41:55,240 Pastor Anderson: Because I know it's called the star of David. 503 00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:56,660 Does it have anything to do with David? 504 00:41:56,660 --> 00:41:58,080 Rabbi Mann: No, I don't think so. 505 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,680 Rabbi Abrami: There must be somewhere. 506 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:05,560 I do not remember exactly what the association was. 507 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,940 Pastor Anderson: I believe that what they call "the star of David" is actually the star 508 00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:13,839 of Remphan because when you study the Bible, you see that when they worshiped other gods, 509 00:42:13,839 --> 00:42:18,639 the Bible talks about them carrying the banner of the star of their god Remphan. 510 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:23,780 Texe Marrs: You rejected the God of the Bible. You took up for yourself the star 511 00:42:23,780 --> 00:42:31,740 (that's the 6-pointed star) of your god called Remphan or Chiun. All these were names for Molech, 512 00:42:31,830 --> 00:42:35,050 the great Baal, the great fire god who is the Devil. 513 00:42:35,050 --> 00:42:36,099 Paul Wittenberger: Beelzebub. 514 00:42:36,099 --> 00:42:41,359 Texe Marrs: That's right. Beelzebub. And they were shocked about this. Now, who is this 515 00:42:41,359 --> 00:42:47,559 star god? If they only read their Old Testament, they would know this. In Amos, God said 516 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:53,480 you have taken up the star, and you've made me furious by doing that, and you have actually 517 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:58,940 sacrificed your own children to the star god through the fires. 518 00:42:58,940 --> 00:43:03,420 They sacrificed their own children. The Jews did to the star god. 519 00:43:03,420 --> 00:43:08,960 Pastor Anderson: When they worshiped a false god, they had the star of Remphan as an icon 520 00:43:08,970 --> 00:43:14,780 and as a symbol. We never see a "star of David" in scripture, but the star of the false god Remphan, 521 00:43:14,780 --> 00:43:20,120 and so we know today that they are not worshiping the true god because the Bible says, 522 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:24,520 "Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth 523 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:29,109 the Son hath the Father also." If the Jews do not believe on the Son, the Bible says 524 00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:33,789 they don't have the Father. So who do they have? Somebody else. A false god. 525 00:43:33,789 --> 00:43:38,800 Therefore they are not worshiping the same God we worship. Some people will say, "Oh, they worship 526 00:43:38,810 --> 00:43:44,200 God the Father, but they just don't acknowledge Jesus," but the Bible teaches that it's impossible 527 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,290 to worship the Father if you don't acknowledge the Son. 528 00:43:47,290 --> 00:43:52,770 Texe Marrs: If you get back to the Masonic fraternity of freemasonry, their great symbol 529 00:43:52,770 --> 00:44:01,730 is G. You look at the star on the compass, which is a stylized star of David. In fact, 530 00:44:01,730 --> 00:44:06,030 they have the entire star of David in many masonic temples. Why is that? 531 00:44:06,030 --> 00:44:10,089 Masonry is a study of Judaism and of the Kabbalah. 532 00:44:10,089 --> 00:44:17,569 The Jewish tribune newspaper on October 28, 1927, stated, "Masonry is based on Judaism. 533 00:44:17,570 --> 00:44:23,070 Eliminate the teachings of Judaism from the Masonic Ritual, and what is left?" 534 00:44:23,070 --> 00:44:29,280 Texe Marrs: Albert Pike said in his book "Morals and Dogma" that the Kabbalah is the very basis. 535 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:34,830 Without the Kabbalah we would not have the 33 rituals of the masonic lodge. But the god 536 00:44:34,830 --> 00:44:41,830 they worship, the great architect, is Moloch, the star god. If anyone tells me 537 00:44:42,820 --> 00:44:50,540 that the Jews were not placed under a great curse by Jesus himself...it's there. 538 00:44:50,540 --> 00:44:55,420 Pastor Jimenez: In John 8:37, it's interesting because Jesus said this: "I know that ye are 539 00:44:55,430 --> 00:45:00,839 Abraham's seed." So he's acknowledging the fact that they are physical descendants 540 00:45:00,839 --> 00:45:05,359 of Abraham. He said, "I know that ye are Abraham's seed, but ye seek to kill me, because my word 541 00:45:05,359 --> 00:45:09,760 hath no place in you. I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which 542 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:14,339 ye have seen with your Father. They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. 543 00:45:14,339 --> 00:45:19,099 Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham." 544 00:45:19,099 --> 00:45:25,240 So it's interesting because in verse 37, he acknowledged that they're Abraham's seed, 545 00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:29,330 that they're physical descendants of Abraham, but then in verse 39, he's questioning, 546 00:45:29,330 --> 00:45:34,150 he's saying, "If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham," and he's basically 547 00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:37,339 saying that they are not the children of Abraham because, like we already talked about later 548 00:45:37,339 --> 00:45:42,930 in the passage, he says, "Ye are of your father the Devil." So it is interesting that Jesus 549 00:45:42,930 --> 00:45:49,070 himself said that you can be a physical descendant of Abraham, and be of the seed of Abraham, 550 00:45:49,070 --> 00:45:51,890 and he doesn't consider you a child of Abraham. 551 00:45:51,890 --> 00:45:58,890 Rabbi Abrami: There is another passage in the Gospel of John: John chapter 8 verse 44 552 00:45:59,609 --> 00:46:09,269 where he says that the Jews are the sons of the Devil. That's what he was preaching! 553 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:14,720 Pastor Jimenez: Jesus himself taught, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts 554 00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:20,010 of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, 555 00:46:20,010 --> 00:46:24,320 because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: 556 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:29,359 for he is a liar, and the father of it." So according to the Lord Jesus Christ, they are of 557 00:46:29,359 --> 00:46:33,739 their father the Devil. So Jesus believed that they weren't following Abraham, 558 00:46:33,740 --> 00:46:36,960 they weren't following Moses, they weren't following the prophets, they weren't following God. 559 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,339 He says that they were following their father the Devil. 560 00:46:39,339 --> 00:46:44,179 Texe Marrs: In Revelation 2 and 3 there are interesting verses which talk about 561 00:46:44,180 --> 00:46:53,000 them which say they are Jews and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. 562 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,580 Pastor Anderson: It's not hard to figure out who the "synagogue of Satan" is when you realize 563 00:46:56,589 --> 00:47:01,560 that there is only one religion in this world that uses synagogues: Judaism. It's not hard 564 00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:06,060 to figure out who they are when the Bible tells us that they say they're Jews, and they're not. 565 00:47:06,060 --> 00:47:11,180 Not everyone in this world goes around saying, "I'm a Jew." People who practice Judaism 566 00:47:11,180 --> 00:47:15,250 say that they're Jews. You say, "Well, Pastor Anderson, they say they are Jews, 567 00:47:15,250 --> 00:47:21,349 but they really are." No, because Romans 2:28 says, "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; 568 00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:26,050 neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one 569 00:47:26,050 --> 00:47:32,410 inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; 570 00:47:32,410 --> 00:47:38,030 whose praise is not of men, but of God." The Bible says, "We are the circumcision, 571 00:47:38,030 --> 00:47:43,910 which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence 572 00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:49,920 in the flesh." So in God's eyes, they are not Jews, they are the synagogue of Satan. 573 00:47:49,930 --> 00:47:54,369 The Bible says in Revelation 3:9, "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say 574 00:47:54,369 --> 00:47:59,160 they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before 575 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:04,720 thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee." Now why would God have to make the synagogue 576 00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:10,280 of Satan to know that God loved the church at Philadelphia? Because the Jews think 577 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:15,520 that God loves only them. They don't think that God loves the Gentiles at Philadelphia, and 578 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:19,310 that is why God said, "I am going to make the synagogue of Satan to know that I have 579 00:48:19,310 --> 00:48:24,609 loved you." God loves the children of the world. Red and yellow, black and white, 580 00:48:24,609 --> 00:48:26,309 they are precious in his sight. 581 00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:31,720 In 1 John 2:22, the Bible gives us a definition of what an antichrist is: 582 00:48:31,730 --> 00:48:38,730 "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, 583 00:48:38,730 --> 00:48:41,740 that denieth the Father and the Son." 584 00:48:41,740 --> 00:48:45,040 Pastor Anderson: In order to believe that Jesus is not the Christ, 585 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:49,680 you have to believe that there is a Christ, and that it's not Jesus. 586 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:54,300 Pastor Jimenez: John 4 tells us that the word "messiah" means "Christ." The woman at the 587 00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:59,170 well said, "I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ," so we know that the definition 588 00:48:59,170 --> 00:49:04,030 of the word "Christ" is "messiah." So, in 1 John 2:22 when it says, "Who is a liar but 589 00:49:04,030 --> 00:49:08,160 he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ, " what it's saying is, "Who is a liar but 590 00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:14,970 he that denieth Jesus is the messiah." What group of people believes that there is a messiah, 591 00:49:14,970 --> 00:49:18,910 but does not believe that Jesus was that messiah? Again, those are the Jews. 592 00:49:18,910 --> 00:49:22,430 Pastor Anderson: Let me just see if I can characterize this right then. Basically the 593 00:49:22,430 --> 00:49:26,880 Jewish belief on Jesus...obviously you don't believe he was the messiah, but do you think 594 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:31,290 that he was just another in a long string of false messiahs? 595 00:49:31,290 --> 00:49:39,700 Rabbi Mann: Yes, if the claim was made that he was the Messiah, then he was a false messiah. 596 00:49:39,700 --> 00:49:43,400 Rabbi Abrami: Jesus never said, "I am the Messiah." 597 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:47,220 Rabbi Mann: The Jewish people would have been interested in the Messiah. They are waiting 598 00:49:47,230 --> 00:49:51,500 for Messiah. They want Messiah, so if he had any of the real characteristics of the Messiah, 599 00:49:51,500 --> 00:49:58,490 they would have been interested in him. But he had 12 disciples. That's not a lot. 600 00:49:58,490 --> 00:50:01,110 You're talking about the nation of the Jews with all the scholars. 601 00:50:01,110 --> 00:50:03,140 They weren't won over to him. 602 00:50:03,150 --> 00:50:04,210 Pastor Anderson: They didn't believe in him. 603 00:50:04,210 --> 00:50:07,829 Rabbi Mann: Not at all! The Christians invented the idea of a failed messiah. Even though 604 00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:13,440 he failed, he's still the Messiah. We reject that. If you fail, then you're not the Messiah. 605 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:17,500 Pastor Anderson: They're still looking for another messiah to come, and we know that 606 00:50:17,500 --> 00:50:22,250 that other messiah that's coming is the antichrist. What does a Jewish messiah look like? 607 00:50:22,250 --> 00:50:27,120 Rabbi Abrami: A very powerful king that will establish peace and good will on earth. 608 00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,180 You have to be able to establish peace. 609 00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:30,320 Pastor Anderson: World peace? 610 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,320 Rabbi Abrami: World peace. 611 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:37,420 Rabbi Mann: When the real messiah makes his appearance in such a dramatic fashion that 612 00:50:37,420 --> 00:50:40,620 it can't be denied, then everyone will acknowledge that he's the real messiah. 613 00:50:40,620 --> 00:50:41,900 Pastor Anderson: Worldwide? 614 00:50:41,900 --> 00:50:45,099 Rabbi Mann: Worldwide. Even the non-Jews because they're all looking forward to the Messiah. 615 00:50:45,099 --> 00:50:46,939 Pastor Anderson: So when the Messiah comes, 616 00:50:46,940 --> 00:50:48,740 you're saying the whole world is going to believe on him? 617 00:50:48,740 --> 00:50:52,510 Rabbi Mann: Yeah, the entire world because his purpose will be to bring the entire world 618 00:50:52,510 --> 00:50:57,630 to the proper observance. All the nations will stream toward Jerusalem to learn from him. 619 00:50:57,630 --> 00:51:04,240 It will initiate a period of world peace. The Messiah will be a tremendous charismatic 620 00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:09,260 figure with great knowledge and communication skills. He will also be a great warrior. 621 00:51:09,260 --> 00:51:10,860 He will be the defender of the Jews, 622 00:51:10,860 --> 00:51:13,800 and he will defeat all their enemies in a permanent kind of a way. 623 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:18,420 Pastor Romero: If you listen to how the Jews describe their messiah, they paint a perfect 624 00:51:18,420 --> 00:51:24,070 picture of what the Bible describes as the antichrist. He is going to conquer the entire 625 00:51:24,070 --> 00:51:27,210 world. He is going to bring peace through war. 626 00:51:27,210 --> 00:51:31,460 Pastor Anderson: He is going to be believed in by all religions of the world. He is going 627 00:51:31,460 --> 00:51:34,849 to bring world peace. He is going to unite us all. 628 00:51:34,849 --> 00:51:40,079 Texe Marrs: So many Christians are precious, and they don't know what they're doing. 629 00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:45,239 I was at a prophecy conference in Florida, and a lady came up to me, and she was wearing 630 00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:51,840 the star of David. I asked her why she was wearing that, and she said, "Oh, well it is 631 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,800 so important that we show our support for Israel." I said, "How do you show your support 632 00:51:55,800 --> 00:52:01,080 for Israel." She said, "I give money every month to the Temple Mount Foundation." 633 00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:08,500 Well, that's this Jewish group, and I said, "Don't you know that 2 Thessalonians 2 says the antichrist 634 00:52:08,820 --> 00:52:17,080 will go into that temple and declare himself God, and above every other God?" She says, 635 00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:22,620 "Well, I just think I'm helping to fulfill Bible prophecy." I said, "You are! 636 00:52:22,690 --> 00:52:26,560 You're helping the antichrist to come! Who would want to do that!" 637 00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:31,220 Rabbi Jeremy Gimpel: When a man comes, and he fights the wars of Israel, defeats the 638 00:52:31,230 --> 00:52:37,859 enemies, builds the temple, peace on earth - the leader that did that, we will all kneel 639 00:52:37,859 --> 00:52:43,369 before the king. Do you know what I mean? Whoever that is. So, your vision of that - 640 00:52:43,369 --> 00:52:46,690 you say it's a second coming. Okay. We say it's a first coming. 641 00:52:46,690 --> 00:52:52,220 Pastor Anderson: Look, the Jews are ready to accept the antichrist as their messiah, 642 00:52:52,220 --> 00:52:56,869 and yet Christians are being taught that in the end times, all the Jews are going to believe 643 00:52:56,869 --> 00:53:02,109 on Jesus Christ. Well, it doesn't take a genius to figure out what the Devil is doing here. 644 00:53:02,109 --> 00:53:08,030 When the Jews accept the antichrist as their messiah, then all of the apostate Christians 645 00:53:08,030 --> 00:53:12,119 are going to point to that and say, "Look, this is the second coming of Jesus Christ! 646 00:53:12,119 --> 00:53:17,210 Look, all the Jews believe on him!" What is the Devil's goal with the antichrist? 647 00:53:17,210 --> 00:53:23,460 To get people to believe that he is the second coming of Jesus Christ. And like all other false 648 00:53:23,460 --> 00:53:27,810 doctrine, it is based on taking one scripture completely out of context. They will take 649 00:53:27,810 --> 00:53:32,490 the end of Romans 11 and completely ignore the beginning of Romans 11, and they will 650 00:53:32,490 --> 00:53:37,800 just go straight to the end, straight to verse 26, "And so all Israel shall be saved," 651 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,839 and say, "See, right there! In the end times, everybody in Israel is going to get saved. 652 00:53:41,839 --> 00:53:45,579 They are going to believe in Jesus!" They are forgetting that the Bible just finished 653 00:53:45,579 --> 00:53:51,140 telling us in Romans 9 that "they are not all Israel which are of Israel." The physical 654 00:53:51,140 --> 00:53:55,359 descendants are not the true Israel! He said, "He is not a Jew which is one outwardly. 655 00:53:55,359 --> 00:54:00,260 He is a Jew which is one inwardly." It is those of us who believe in Jesus Christ who are Israel. 656 00:54:00,260 --> 00:54:06,750 How could you look at an unsaved person and say, "They are Israel," when the Bible 657 00:54:06,750 --> 00:54:12,099 says, "All Israel shall be saved"? That tells me that anyone who is not saved is not Israel. 658 00:54:12,099 --> 00:54:21,159 It is the antichrist, not Jesus Christ, who is going to unite Jews with false Christians 659 00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,420 and with every other religion of the world. 660 00:54:24,420 --> 00:54:29,730 In order for the Jewish antichrist to unite all religions of the world, the Devil must 661 00:54:29,730 --> 00:54:35,410 convince mainstream Christianity to see the Jews as fellow believers, in spite of their 662 00:54:35,410 --> 00:54:41,710 rejection and blasphemy of Jesus Christ. Tele-evangelists, such as John Hagee, 663 00:54:41,710 --> 00:54:50,260 ignore the clear teaching of the New Testament, and apply the promises made to Abraham in Genesis 12:1-3, 664 00:54:50,260 --> 00:54:56,140 to modern-day, Christ-rejecting Israel. Anyone who holds a biblical view that the Jews are 665 00:54:56,140 --> 00:55:01,980 no longer God's chosen people, is labeled by the media as an anti-Semite. 666 00:55:01,980 --> 00:55:09,860 John Hagee: Israel's fight is our fight! We are one! We are united! We will not be discouraged! 667 00:55:09,860 --> 00:55:18,220 We will not be defeated! We will not be intimidated! We will not sit down! We will not be silent! 668 00:55:18,220 --> 00:55:25,880 We are the worst nightmare of the anti-Semites of the world, and the victory is going to be ours! 669 00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:34,380 Ted Cruz: If you will not stand with Israel and the Jews, then I will not stand with you. 670 00:55:34,380 --> 00:55:36,450 Thank you, and God bless you. 671 00:55:36,450 --> 00:55:38,420 Joel Osteen: We stand with the people of Israel. 672 00:55:38,420 --> 00:55:45,020 Robert Jeffress: I am asking you to join with me and every Christian, and every Jew, and 673 00:55:45,020 --> 00:55:51,300 every freedom-loving American, to demand that this president and congress do whatever is 674 00:55:51,300 --> 00:55:58,300 necessary to eradicate the evil of ISIS and radical Islam from the face of the earth. 675 00:55:58,410 --> 00:56:01,480 It is time to act now. 676 00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:06,820 Woman preacher 1: "And I will bless them that bless you and curse him that curses you." 677 00:56:06,829 --> 00:56:09,040 Woman preacher 2: You don't want to be an enemy of Israel. 678 00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,700 Woman preacher 1: "And in you shall all families of the earth be blessed." 679 00:56:11,710 --> 00:56:13,500 Woman preacher 2: Yes, amen. 680 00:56:13,500 --> 00:56:16,320 TV preacher 4: You're either for or against her. You are one of the two. 681 00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:22,220 John Hagee: The man, the church, the nation, that blesses the state of Israel 682 00:56:22,220 --> 00:56:25,760 and the Jewish people will be blessed beyond measure. 683 00:56:25,770 --> 00:56:28,570 Benny Hinn: Blessing Israel doesn't just mean to say, "Well, I bless you." 684 00:56:28,570 --> 00:56:32,320 You have to stand with them in their hour of need. 685 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,920 Pastor Anderson: Of course the Bible says in 2 John 9-11 that 686 00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:41,000 "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. 687 00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:45,020 He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 688 00:56:45,020 --> 00:56:49,960 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, 689 00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:57,260 neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds." 690 00:56:57,260 --> 00:57:01,319 Pastor Anderson: And what are you doing when you bid someone God speed? You are blessing 691 00:57:01,319 --> 00:57:07,420 them. So today's evangelical Christianity is saying that we must bless Israel if we 692 00:57:07,420 --> 00:57:14,420 want God to bless us, yet 2 John teaches that if we bless those who deny the Son of God, 693 00:57:14,980 --> 00:57:17,280 we are a partaker of their evil deeds. 694 00:57:17,290 --> 00:57:22,220 Texe Marrs: Evangelicals, of course, are a great segment of American Christianity - 695 00:57:22,220 --> 00:57:29,220 the Southern Baptists, the Pentecostals, the Assemblies of God - these are very fervent groups, 696 00:57:29,359 --> 00:57:35,069 and they have basically been very pro-Israel, pro-Zionist. Many of them have actually closed 697 00:57:35,069 --> 00:57:42,449 the door to conversion by saying, "Oh, you don't need Jesus. You're a Jew." 698 00:57:42,449 --> 00:57:46,700 In the Houston Chronicle, John Hagee was quoted as saying: 699 00:57:46,700 --> 00:57:51,700 "I'm not trying to convert the Jewish people to the Christian faith. There is nothing in 700 00:57:51,700 --> 00:57:58,270 "The Night to Honor Israel" that does that. In fact, trying to convert Jews is a "waste 701 00:57:58,270 --> 00:58:04,870 of time." The Jewish person who has his roots in Judaism is not going to convert to Christianity. 702 00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:11,270 Everyone else, whether Buddhist or Baha’i, needs to believe in Jesus. But not Jews. 703 00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:17,540 Jews already have a covenant with God that has never been replaced with Christianity." 704 00:58:17,540 --> 00:58:21,520 Pastor Anderson: And really that is the most anti-Semitic thing you could possibly say: 705 00:58:21,530 --> 00:58:25,750 "Don't evangelize the Jews." That is going to send the Jews to Hell. The Bible says: 706 00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:30,980 "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall 707 00:58:30,980 --> 00:58:33,760 not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." 708 00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,900 Pastor Anderson: Yet John Hagee teaches that the Jews are already good to go 709 00:58:36,900 --> 00:58:39,260 and that we don't need to evangelize the Jews. 710 00:58:39,260 --> 00:58:44,520 Pastor Furse: Well, John Hagee is totally wrong. The Bible tell us that we are to win 711 00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:48,380 the lost, and that we are to preach the Gospel to every creature. Now I mentioned earlier 712 00:58:48,380 --> 00:58:53,349 about C.I. Scofield being divorced and remarried. Isn't it interesting that John Hagee is the 713 00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:59,619 same story: divorced his wife, remarried another lady, and leads a large Pentecostal church, 714 00:58:59,619 --> 00:59:02,939 and emphasizes Israel to the point of idolatry. 715 00:59:02,940 --> 00:59:08,580 John Hagee: Free is free indeed! Give him praise and glory in the house of God. 716 00:59:08,580 --> 00:59:14,840 Announcer: From the 18,000 people who belong to his church in San Antonio, TX, to the 717 00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:19,920 99 million homes he says tune into his weekly radio and television broadcast, John Hagee 718 00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:26,920 has built an empire sharing the Gospel of Israel with evangelicals around the world. 719 00:59:27,339 --> 00:59:33,499 And as the leader of CUFI, his power extends from the pulpit to politics. 720 00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:39,820 Pastor Anderson: John Hagee is a blasphemous false teacher who teaches that Jesus Christ 721 00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:42,260 did not come to this earth to be the Messiah. 722 00:59:42,260 --> 00:59:47,500 John Hagee: "In Defense of Israel" will shake Christian theology. It scripturally proves 723 00:59:47,500 --> 00:59:52,619 that the Jewish people as a whole did not reject Jesus as Messiah. It will also prove 724 00:59:52,619 --> 00:59:57,810 that Jesus did not come to earth to be the Messiah. It will prove that there was a Calvary 725 00:59:57,810 --> 01:00:03,740 conspiracy between Rome, the high priest, and Herod to execute Jesus as an insurrectionist 726 01:00:03,740 --> 01:00:09,440 too dangerous to live. Since Jesus refused by word and deed to claim to be the Messiah, 727 01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:14,569 how can the Jews be blamed for rejecting what was never offered? Read it in this shocking 728 01:00:14,569 --> 01:00:17,099 expose, "In Defense of Israel." 729 01:00:17,099 --> 01:00:21,470 Announcer: This later book by Pastor John Hagee is destined to generate lively discussions 730 01:00:21,470 --> 01:00:23,460 among Christians the world over. 731 01:00:23,460 --> 01:00:29,200 Pastor Furse: John Hagee is not an independent Baptist, nor a King James Bible believer, 732 01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:34,000 so a lot of guys that watch this documentary will say, "Well, that's not our guys." 733 01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:39,480 Well, how about Sam Gipp, who just about a year ago preached in a church in Idaho and said 734 01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:43,720 (and I can almost quote it word for word), "You know what I never call Jesus? 735 01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,620 I never call him my Messiah." 736 01:00:45,620 --> 01:00:51,540 Sam Gipp: You know what I never call Jesus Christ? I never call him my messiah. Do you 737 01:00:51,540 --> 01:00:55,520 know why? You say, "Well, he's the Messiah." He ain't your Messiah! Unless you're a Jew, 738 01:00:55,520 --> 01:01:03,020 he's not your Messiah. Are you from Gentile stock? We were never promised a messiah." 739 01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:05,940 Pastor Furse: I'm sorry, but Sam Gipp is wrong, 740 01:01:05,940 --> 01:01:08,940 and he might be popular even among independent Baptists, 741 01:01:08,940 --> 01:01:13,740 but that is wrong, whether it is Sam Gipp or Peter Ruckman, or whoever it is. 742 01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:19,150 The word of God is the word of God, and we don't allow, whether it's Scofield, or John 743 01:01:19,150 --> 01:01:24,119 Hagee, or our favorite preacher, or our favorite professor or teacher, to influence what the 744 01:01:24,119 --> 01:01:31,119 word actually says. Jesus Christ is the Messiah. He is my Messiah. He is everyone's Messiah. 745 01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:38,320 Hagee goes on to say in the Houston Chronicle article, "Many Christian theologians are anti-Semitic 746 01:01:38,329 --> 01:01:44,480 because they say the covenant with the Jews is gone - that Jews have been replaced by Christianity 747 01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:49,900 and that Israel does not deserve American military and support." 748 01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:55,700 Not only do Christian zionists like Hagee teach that Christians must support Israel, 749 01:01:55,700 --> 01:02:02,530 they also demand that the US government support Israel militarily and financially. And because 750 01:02:02,530 --> 01:02:08,559 evangelical Christians make up a large part of the voting populace, politicians dutifully 751 01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:13,440 make the trip to Israel to pray to the Jewish god at the Wailing Wall. 752 01:02:17,980 --> 01:02:21,960 MSNBC Announcer 1: There are a lot of socially conservative, evangelical, Republican voters 753 01:02:21,970 --> 01:02:26,480 who care a lot about this issue, and if they can see Ted Cruz coming out on Fox News and 754 01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:32,099 saying, "I am 100% behind Israel." When they see that happening, a lot of conservative 755 01:02:32,099 --> 01:02:34,430 voters are going to say, "Hey, this Cruz guy is better than I thought!" 756 01:02:34,430 --> 01:02:37,380 MSNBC Announcer 2: In fact, they just had the Christians United for Israel event, which 757 01:02:37,380 --> 01:02:41,930 is an organization of evangelical Christians that are very, very pro-Israel. This is an 758 01:02:41,930 --> 01:02:46,050 image - I think we have this - of Rand Paul praying with them. 759 01:02:46,050 --> 01:02:49,640 There he is. He is praying with the CUFI folks. 760 01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:55,900 Ted Cruz: Let me say this: those who hate Israel hate America, and those who hate Jews 761 01:02:55,910 --> 01:02:57,400 hate Christians. 762 01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:03,460 Jim Staley: So opposition to Israel is opposition to God, and I don't care what they believe 763 01:03:03,460 --> 01:03:10,460 and where they are at on the spiritual timeline because it's not my problem. I have his back, 764 01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:17,480 and it doesn't matter what he does or where he's at. As long as he calls upon the name 765 01:03:18,290 --> 01:03:23,720 of Yahweh, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, that's my brother. 766 01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:29,580 Rabbi Jeremy Gimpel: There is going to be, I think, a turn toward a more biblical Christianity, 767 01:03:29,589 --> 01:03:37,249 a more Jewish Christianity, and the lines between us - it was like, "Oh, those are Christians; 768 01:03:37,250 --> 01:03:41,760 those are Jews," are going to be like, "Oh, those are sort of like our brothers!" 769 01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:46,460 Benjamin Netanyahu: Israel is grateful for the support of America's people and of America's 770 01:03:46,460 --> 01:03:49,630 presidents from Harry Truman to Barack Obama. 771 01:03:49,630 --> 01:03:55,250 Barack Obama: In fact, I am proud to say that no US administration has done more in support 772 01:03:55,250 --> 01:04:02,250 of Israel's security than ours. None! Don't let anybody else tell you otherwise! 773 01:04:02,250 --> 01:04:04,160 It is a fact! 774 01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,200 Mitt Romney: We recognize Israel's right to defend itself, 775 01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:11,120 and that it is right for America to stand with you. 776 01:04:12,980 --> 01:04:20,260 John Hagee: Therefore it is time for America to embrace the words of Senator Joseph Liebermann 777 01:04:20,270 --> 01:04:27,240 and consider a military preemptive strike against Iran to prevent a nuclear holocaust 778 01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:31,540 in Israel and a nuclear attack in America. 779 01:04:33,380 --> 01:04:37,620 Pastor Anderson: In 2 Chronicles 19, a godly king by the name of Jehoshaphat was going 780 01:04:37,630 --> 01:04:42,740 to help Israel militarily. Here is what God told him in verse 2: 781 01:04:42,740 --> 01:04:47,069 "And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, 782 01:04:47,069 --> 01:04:53,650 Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath 783 01:04:53,650 --> 01:04:55,650 upon thee from before the LORD." 784 01:04:55,650 --> 01:05:00,190 Pastor Anderson: So we are told today that if we support the nation of Israel, we are 785 01:05:00,190 --> 01:05:05,680 going to be blessed by God because of Genesis 12, when in reality the Bible teaches that 786 01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:10,960 if we help an ungodly and wicked nation like Israel, we will have God's wrath upon us. 787 01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:15,960 Pastor Filenius: Why should we as Bible believing Christians support the nation of Israel when 788 01:05:15,970 --> 01:05:21,800 the nation of Israel won't even allow a Christian to immigrate to their country. If you want 789 01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:26,200 to immigrate to Israel, you have to renounce the name of Jesus Christ. 790 01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:31,099 Pastor Anderson: So for someone to become an Orthodox Jew or have the right of return, 791 01:05:31,099 --> 01:05:32,690 they have to renounce Christianity, for example. 792 01:05:32,690 --> 01:05:33,890 Leader Schesnol: They do. 793 01:05:33,890 --> 01:05:39,030 Rabbi Abrami: You can't be a Jew and a Christian. It's one or the other. 794 01:05:39,030 --> 01:05:47,280 Leader Schesnol: So with regard to the modern state of Israel, it requires the renunciation 795 01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:56,100 of one's former religious affiliation, and it requires a number of rituals that are designed 796 01:05:56,109 --> 01:06:01,120 to cleanse one of their prior religious affiliation. 797 01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:03,700 Pastor Anderson: So someone who is not a Jew doesn't just automatically have an invitation 798 01:06:03,710 --> 01:06:05,630 to immigrate to Israel then? 799 01:06:05,630 --> 01:06:07,430 Leader Schesnol: Not as a citizen. 800 01:06:07,430 --> 01:06:12,650 Pastor Anderson: So in order to immigrate to Israel, they would have to renounce Christianity 801 01:06:12,650 --> 01:06:14,380 in order... 802 01:06:14,380 --> 01:06:16,660 Leader Schesnol: to become a citizen, 803 01:06:16,670 --> 01:06:19,320 and they would have to be converted by an orthodox rabbi. 804 01:06:19,329 --> 01:06:25,410 Pastor Filenius: I personally know men who have gone over to Israel, believing that Israel 805 01:06:25,410 --> 01:06:30,540 is the promised land, and that the Jews are God's chosen people, and they go there with 806 01:06:30,540 --> 01:06:35,050 that in their heart, and they go there to witness to them and tell them about Christ, 807 01:06:35,050 --> 01:06:41,500 but it is illegal in Israel to pass out tracts. The cops will come and harass them, and they 808 01:06:41,500 --> 01:06:46,780 will even be under the threat of arrest or deportation. The Bible is true when it tells 809 01:06:46,780 --> 01:06:50,790 us that they are the enemies of the Gospel. Romans 11:28. 810 01:06:50,790 --> 01:06:56,550 "As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, 811 01:06:56,550 --> 01:06:58,700 they are beloved for the father's sakes." 812 01:06:58,700 --> 01:07:01,200 Pastor Filenius: It says it right there in the word of God. 813 01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,740 They are the enemies of the Gospel. 814 01:07:04,180 --> 01:07:10,780 Pastor Furse: In June 2014 during gay pride month, the United States embassy flew the 815 01:07:10,780 --> 01:07:17,440 American flag, and underneath the American flag, they hoisted the gay pride flag. 816 01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:24,740 For the last few years now, Tel Aviv has been voted the #1 gay city in the world amongst 817 01:07:25,569 --> 01:07:31,920 the gay community themselves. They voted Tel Aviv the #1 place in the world - not San Francisco, 818 01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,860 not New York, but Tel Aviv. 819 01:07:34,860 --> 01:07:42,940 Glenn Beck: We were established for the establishment of Israel! Our markings are all over. 820 01:07:42,940 --> 01:07:47,480 Take out a dollar out of your pocket. Look at the great seal. 821 01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:55,880 You'll notice in between the wingspan of the eagle, you will see the star of David made out of 13 stars. 822 01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,980 Now why is the star of David there? 823 01:07:58,980 --> 01:08:05,180 John Hagee: Around that star is the Shekinah glory cloud burst, symbolizing the Shekinah 824 01:08:05,190 --> 01:08:10,250 glory that was over the tabernacle. George Washington said, "I want that to be on the 825 01:08:10,250 --> 01:08:16,030 dollar so that people will recognize the contribution that the Jewish people have made 826 01:08:16,030 --> 01:08:19,090 to the United States of America." 827 01:08:19,090 --> 01:08:25,000 Not only are today's Christians being taught to be pro-Jewish and pro-Israel, the strange 828 01:08:25,009 --> 01:08:30,690 doctrines of the Talmud and the Kabbalah are also creeping into churches and being taught 829 01:08:30,690 --> 01:08:37,489 as Christian doctrine. For example, many pastors will use the term "Shekinah" as if it were 830 01:08:37,489 --> 01:08:43,089 something from the Hebrew Old Testament, when in reality the word is 831 01:08:43,089 --> 01:08:46,240 never found in the Bible one time. 832 01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:49,280 Rabbi Mann: So the "Shekinah" refers to the divine presence. 833 01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:52,920 Rabbi Wiener: And it's a feminine word, by the way. It's not masculine. 834 01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:57,560 TV Rabbi: For example, if Moses de León had come out and said, "I have an idea. God is 835 01:08:57,569 --> 01:09:02,779 a woman." That might not have gone over so well. But now he was saying that the ancient 836 01:09:02,779 --> 01:09:08,779 Rabbi Shimon was teaching us about Shekinah, the feminine half of God, and her romance 837 01:09:08,779 --> 01:09:12,179 with her divine partner, the Holy One, blessed be he. 838 01:09:12,179 --> 01:09:17,520 Rabbi Wiener: So there is a belief that God could be both male and female. 839 01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:25,440 Rabbi Abrami: The Shekinah is the indwelling presence of God in the universe. It's what 840 01:09:25,440 --> 01:09:35,359 eminates from the being of God. But for Jews, Shekinah and God are one and the same, and 841 01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:45,239 it is almost forbidden to separate them. God simply manifests himself, or herself, in the 842 01:09:45,250 --> 01:09:49,300 form of the inspiration of the Shekinah. 843 01:09:49,300 --> 01:09:53,100 Pastor Furse: Shekinah is something that is part of the Talmud - something that is part 844 01:09:53,100 --> 01:09:59,150 of Judaism, not Christianity. And yet, how many Baptist preachers have used that phrase 845 01:09:59,150 --> 01:10:02,480 "Shekinah glory" in church, and it's not even scriptural. 846 01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:09,480 TV Preacher 5: Friends, we need to grasp this, that the Shekinah glory is in us. This presence 847 01:10:09,550 --> 01:10:13,890 that we talked about, this presence that came in this upper room to the disciples, 848 01:10:13,890 --> 01:10:17,980 the Shekinah glory - it's in us as believers. 849 01:10:17,980 --> 01:10:23,280 Pastor Anderson: The Bible is clear from Genesis to Revelation that God is a "he" not a "she." 850 01:10:23,290 --> 01:10:28,690 If you teach that God is both a "he" and a "she," you have a different god. The Christian 851 01:10:28,690 --> 01:10:32,390 Bible teaches that man was made in the image of God, 852 01:10:32,390 --> 01:10:34,820 and in 1 Corinthians 11 the Bible says: 853 01:10:34,820 --> 01:10:39,590 "For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: 854 01:10:39,590 --> 01:10:41,739 but the woman is the glory of the man." 855 01:10:41,739 --> 01:10:46,840 Pastor Anderson: So according to 1 Corinthians 11, man is not to cover his head because man 856 01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:52,040 is in the image of God, as opposed to woman. That is why even in Genesis 1:27, it says: 857 01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:57,600 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; 858 01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,980 male and female created he them." 859 01:11:00,980 --> 01:11:04,700 Pastor Anderson: They were created male and female, but he was created in the image of God. 860 01:11:04,700 --> 01:11:09,560 What does it mean to be in the image of God? to look like God. When Jesus walked 861 01:11:09,570 --> 01:11:17,030 on this earth, he was a man, and God the Father is masculine. This is a blasphemous teaching 862 01:11:17,030 --> 01:11:24,550 of new age mysticism that worships mother earth and the female spirit, and the goddess, 863 01:11:24,550 --> 01:11:27,960 and the Kabbalah, and the new age - that's where all this stuff is coming from. 864 01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:34,150 Leonard Nimoy: This is the shape of the letter Shin - Hebrew alphabet Shin - a very interesting 865 01:11:34,150 --> 01:11:40,280 letter in the language. It is the first letter in the word Shaddai, the first letter in the 866 01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:43,620 word Shalom, and the first letter in the word Shekinah, 867 01:11:43,620 --> 01:11:46,460 which is the name of the feminine aspect of God. 868 01:11:48,030 --> 01:11:54,750 Spock: Live long and prosper, image of Sirach, father of all we now hold true. 869 01:11:54,750 --> 01:12:01,750 Leonard Nimoy: It's great. People don't realize they're blessing each other with this. (laughter) 870 01:12:03,820 --> 01:12:09,440 When Christians learn the information presented thus far in this film, many are still hung 871 01:12:09,440 --> 01:12:15,380 up on the idea that the Jews are physically descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, 872 01:12:15,380 --> 01:12:21,440 and that the rest of us are all Gentiles...but is it really that simple? 873 01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:25,000 Pastor Anderson: The only way a person could really prove that they are a Jew would be 874 01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:32,080 with a genealogy. In fact, most of today's so-called Jews don't know what tribe they're from. 875 01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:38,220 Do people know in the Jewish community, "Hey, I'm of converts," or "Hey, I'm actually 876 01:12:38,230 --> 01:12:42,800 of the tribe of Judah or the tribe of Benjamin or the tribe of..." 877 01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:47,500 Rabbi Mann: As far as the tribe is concerned, we don't know. I don't know what tribe I belong to. 878 01:12:47,500 --> 01:12:52,140 The only ones who do know are the Cohen. They know because that's transferred from 879 01:12:52,140 --> 01:12:58,060 father to son, father to son. Because there are still certain things that the Cohens/priests... 880 01:12:58,060 --> 01:13:03,160 certain blessings that he says, and so on and so forth. So they've kept their lineage. They know. 881 01:13:03,170 --> 01:13:07,460 Myself, I have no idea what tribe my ancestors belong to. 882 01:13:07,460 --> 01:13:09,699 Pastor Anderson: And you say probably most Jews don't know what tribe? 883 01:13:09,699 --> 01:13:16,559 Rabbi Mann: Nobody. That wasn't preserved. Today it's not important at all. No. 884 01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:21,540 Pastor Anderson: If it really made a difference who is descended from Israel and who is not, 885 01:13:21,550 --> 01:13:24,690 then why would God tell us to avoid genealogies? 886 01:13:24,690 --> 01:13:29,370 Pastor Romero: The Bible says in Titus 3:9 that we are to avoid genealogies. The New 887 01:13:29,370 --> 01:13:33,780 Testament is very clear. It doesn't matter where your physical ancestors came from. 888 01:13:33,780 --> 01:13:38,070 Pastor Anderson: In Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile. The Bible says clearly: 889 01:13:38,070 --> 01:13:41,929 "There is no difference between the Jew and the Greek." 890 01:13:41,929 --> 01:13:46,310 So why do we think today that there is a difference between the Jew and the Greek? And we think 891 01:13:46,310 --> 01:13:51,260 that somehow if someone is descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, that they just 892 01:13:51,260 --> 01:13:56,699 somehow are automatically God's chosen people, whether or not they believe on Jesus Christ. 893 01:13:56,699 --> 01:14:00,610 They may be circumcised in the flesh, but the Bible says that it's the circumcision 894 01:14:00,610 --> 01:14:04,739 of the heart and the spirit that makes you a Jew in God's eyes. 895 01:14:04,739 --> 01:14:10,090 Pastor Anderson: In 1 Timothy 1, it says in verse 4, "Neither give heed to fables and 896 01:14:10,090 --> 01:14:17,070 endless genealogies," - I want you to keep that phrase in your mind - "endless genealogies 897 01:14:17,070 --> 01:14:22,250 which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do." Now in 898 01:14:22,250 --> 01:14:28,000 Titus, he just said, "Avoid genealogies." Here he says to avoid "endless" genealogies. 899 01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:33,480 Now I am going to show you why genealogies are endless. They truly are endless. 900 01:14:33,480 --> 01:14:39,300 This is what a family tree looks like. Now at the bottom of this family tree, we just have one 901 01:14:39,300 --> 01:14:44,820 person, which is you. Now you descend from two people, don't you? Your mother and your 902 01:14:44,820 --> 01:14:51,320 father. So if we go back one generation, you come from two people as a direct descendant, 903 01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:55,880 but if we go back another generation, you don't just have two grandparents. You have 904 01:14:55,880 --> 01:15:02,820 four grandparents, and it keeps doubling because you have 2 parents, 4 grandparents, 8 great 905 01:15:02,820 --> 01:15:11,920 grandparents, 16 great great grandparents, and you have 32 great great great grandparents. 906 01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:18,130 That means that if I were going to do a family tree that went back 5 generations, I would 907 01:15:18,130 --> 01:15:23,070 have to have a piece of paper wide enough to where at the top of that paper, I would 908 01:15:23,070 --> 01:15:29,160 be able to have 32 peoples names because that is how many ancestors I would have directly 909 01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:34,320 in that 5th generation. Now if I went to the 6th generation, my paper is going to have 910 01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:40,679 to be twice as wide because now I am going to have 64 slots to put in names. Well, what 911 01:15:40,679 --> 01:15:47,679 happens, though, is that as we go back further, this number gets really big. In order to understand 912 01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:52,020 how this chart works, we have to know how long a generation is. 913 01:15:52,020 --> 01:15:53,980 How long is the average generation? 914 01:15:53,980 --> 01:15:56,640 Dr. Donald Yates: Well, they say 20-25 years. 915 01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:00,040 Pastor Anderson: Now a generation has nothing to do with lifespan. For example, my mother 916 01:16:00,050 --> 01:16:04,620 was 30 years old when she gave birth to me, and women generally give birth between the 917 01:16:04,620 --> 01:16:10,120 ages of 20 and 40, so let's just take 30 as an average. 30 is a nice round number, and 918 01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:15,860 30 is a very conservative number for this calculation. So a generation is 30 years, 919 01:16:15,860 --> 01:16:19,070 meaning that someone has a child when they are 30, and then they have a child when they 920 01:16:19,070 --> 01:16:22,590 are 30, and they have a child when they are 30. It has nothing to do with lifespan. 921 01:16:22,590 --> 01:16:29,590 That means that if we go back 10 generations, then that is 300 years. Let's just round off and 922 01:16:30,380 --> 01:16:34,310 say that if we went back in our family tree about 10 generations, we are going to be at 923 01:16:34,310 --> 01:16:39,790 about the year 1700. Now because our family tree is getting wider, if we wanted to do 924 01:16:39,790 --> 01:16:46,670 a complete family tree showing all of our ancestors back to the 10th generation, we 925 01:16:46,670 --> 01:16:53,140 would have to have a piece of paper wide enough to have 1,024 slots because 10 generations 926 01:16:53,140 --> 01:17:00,140 ago, there would be 1,024 people that we would directly descend from. Here is what I noticed 927 01:17:00,630 --> 01:17:05,650 when I did my family tree though. When I went back 10 generations, do you know what I started 928 01:17:05,650 --> 01:17:12,650 noticing? These are no longer unique people because there had been some intermarriage 929 01:17:12,860 --> 01:17:19,580 in that 300 years that had unknowingly taken place. Let's go back 20 generations. So now 930 01:17:19,580 --> 01:17:25,360 we are back around the year 1400. Well, if I wanted to have a complete family tree, I 931 01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:31,730 would have to have a piece of paper that could fit 1,048,576 names. That is a pretty big 932 01:17:31,730 --> 01:17:36,480 piece of paper. So in the year 1400, if I am going to trace all my ancestors, and I 933 01:17:36,480 --> 01:17:41,920 am going to tell you who all of my ancestors from the 1400s are, I would have to show you 934 01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:47,360 a family tree that just at the top would have a million some people - just in the top row, 935 01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:53,880 let alone everything else coming downward. If I were to go back 30 generations, now I 936 01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:59,730 am only in the year 1100. I am not even close to the time of Christ yet, am I? No. If I 937 01:17:59,730 --> 01:18:12,220 went back to the year 1100, thirty generations, I would have 1,073,741,824 ancestors in that 938 01:18:12,220 --> 01:18:19,280 generation. Listen, they are not all unique. When I did my genealogy, I found this relative 939 01:18:19,290 --> 01:18:24,690 that was my 10th great grandmother on this side and my 11th great grandmother over here 940 01:18:24,690 --> 01:18:31,230 because people marry their 5th and 6th cousins without knowing it. There is a lot repeating 941 01:18:31,230 --> 01:18:36,280 going on. What that shows is that there are a lot of people descending from the same people. 942 01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:43,130 They cannot help but intermarry. It is impossible not to because of these numbers. But the real 943 01:18:43,130 --> 01:18:51,660 number that we want to go back to is not 1100 A.D. Let's go back to 70 A.D. because 70 A.D. 944 01:18:51,660 --> 01:18:57,489 is when all the Jews were scattered. Now when you say scattered all over the world, do you 945 01:18:57,489 --> 01:19:00,560 mean that in the most literal sense? I mean, all nations? 946 01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:02,460 Rabbi Wiener: Yes, in the most literal sense. 947 01:19:02,460 --> 01:19:07,110 Pastor Anderson: If we were to go back to 70 A.D., and we were to have a family tree 948 01:19:07,110 --> 01:19:13,760 that shows all our ancestors in 70 A.D. and how they are connected, that top line would 949 01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:27,440 have 18 quintillion, 446 quadrillion, 744 trillion names from 70 A.D. Now who thinks 950 01:19:27,440 --> 01:19:33,460 that there were 18 quintillion, 446 quadrillion, 744 trillion people living at the time of 951 01:19:33,460 --> 01:19:39,680 Christ or shortly thereafter? No. In fact, the approximate population at that time was 952 01:19:39,690 --> 01:19:47,810 200 milllion. Of that 200 million, let's just call 7-8 million Jews. You say, "Well, I don't 953 01:19:47,810 --> 01:19:52,560 like that number." Well, that number is not going to matter in a minute, so let's just 954 01:19:52,570 --> 01:20:01,929 call it 7-8 million. So if there are 200 million people on the earth at the time of the temple 955 01:20:01,929 --> 01:20:06,239 being destroyed, and about 7-8 million of them are Jews, then that means that if I have 956 01:20:06,239 --> 01:20:13,150 an ancestor from that era, there is a 1 in 27 chance that they were of Israel. So think 957 01:20:13,150 --> 01:20:18,429 about this: what if I were buying a lottery ticket, and the odds of that lottery ticket 958 01:20:18,429 --> 01:20:24,560 coming up a winner are 1 in 27 because that's the winning ticket that says, "You're Jewish! 959 01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:30,020 You're of the chosen people! You are of Israel! You are an Israelite indeed!" I have a 1 in 960 01:20:30,020 --> 01:20:34,040 27 chance. You say, "Well, Pastor Anderson, if you have a 1 in 27 chance, you are probably 961 01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:38,900 not going to win that lottery because you have 26 chances of losing." Okay, but what 962 01:20:38,900 --> 01:20:46,420 if I buy 18 quintillion lottery tickets. Do you think I am going to win? Let me ask you 963 01:20:46,420 --> 01:20:51,830 this: how many times do I have to hit it to be descended from Abraham? How many times 964 01:20:51,830 --> 01:20:58,150 do I have to hit it to be descended from Israel? You say, "Well, you know, I'm black. 965 01:20:58,150 --> 01:21:05,620 I'm of Africa. How can I be connected with Abraham?" Well, stop and think about it. Think about 966 01:21:05,620 --> 01:21:12,620 Israel's children. One of Israel's children, Joseph: guess where his wife was from? Egypt. 967 01:21:13,170 --> 01:21:20,840 Joseph's wife was from Egypt. Where is Egypt? Africa. Moses' wife was Ethiopian. His second 968 01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:29,380 wife was Ethiopian. We already see, even in Bible days, intermingling with Africa - intermingling 969 01:21:29,380 --> 01:21:34,690 with the sons of Ham. If you think about it, the tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh were half 970 01:21:34,690 --> 01:21:42,820 of Ham and half of Israel because Israel's son Joseph married an Egyptian woman, who 971 01:21:42,820 --> 01:21:49,050 was of Ham. All of the Ephraimites and Manassites were descended from Ham. Not only that, but 972 01:21:49,050 --> 01:21:55,620 all throughout history you have had merchants and missionaries and conquerors. 973 01:21:55,620 --> 01:22:01,480 Think of the Mongolian empire that went all over the world and that conquered China, 974 01:22:01,480 --> 01:22:06,900 that conquered Japan, that conquered Korea - all the ships that sailed and went here and there 975 01:22:06,900 --> 01:22:16,560 and everywhere. You only have to have one ancestor, out of your millions and millions of ancestors, 976 01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:24,700 you only have to have one that descends from Israel, and you are a direct descendant of Israel. 977 01:22:24,700 --> 01:22:29,920 You sit there and say, "Oh, I'm just purely a white person. Oh, I'm just purely Asian. 978 01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:34,360 I'm just purely African." No, you're not. No one is. 979 01:22:34,370 --> 01:22:39,630 Teresa Yates: People have been marrying and intermarrying for thousands of years, 980 01:22:39,630 --> 01:22:45,680 so you can't have any pure population. 981 01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:49,500 Pastor Anderson: The Bible was right when it said that we are all of one blood. 982 01:22:49,510 --> 01:22:56,620 Teresa Yates: Even populations that we think, "That has got to be 100%!" They are not 100%. 983 01:22:56,620 --> 01:22:59,380 There is no 100%. 984 01:22:59,380 --> 01:23:02,860 Pastor Anderson: You can sit there and have your endless genealogy. It won't even be accurate 985 01:23:02,870 --> 01:23:07,480 because do you know what you can't tell from a genealogy? Somebody who committed adultery 986 01:23:07,480 --> 01:23:13,699 and lied to their husband and said, "Oh, yeah, this is your son," and he's not. You know, 987 01:23:13,699 --> 01:23:20,699 people do their genealogy, and they kind of just take everything as Gospel, when in reality 988 01:23:21,190 --> 01:23:25,280 there could be, as you euphemistically call them, "non-paternity events." 989 01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:32,540 Dr. Donald Yates: There is a non-paternity index which has been estimated at 0.05 (5%) 990 01:23:32,540 --> 01:23:39,380 per generation, so if you go back 20 generations, you are likely to have a non-paternity event. 991 01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:46,760 That's the soft way of saying it, and if you consider that a generation is 20-25 years, 992 01:23:46,770 --> 01:23:55,179 that means in 500 years, you're due in that line to have a non-paternity event. 993 01:23:55,179 --> 01:23:56,510 Pastor Anderson: Every 500 years? 994 01:23:56,510 --> 01:23:58,600 Dr. Donald Yates: In one line! 995 01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:00,760 Pastor Anderson: On one line! 996 01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:04,040 Dr. Donald Yates: In one line, but how many lines do you have? 997 01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:07,739 Pastor Anderson: So really, if somebody traces their genealogy, they couldn't really say, 998 01:24:07,739 --> 01:24:12,530 "Hey, I know for a fact that I know the whole story because I am looking at this genealogy," 999 01:24:12,530 --> 01:24:15,830 because the DNA test is going to reveal more. 1000 01:24:15,830 --> 01:24:19,880 Teresa Yates: Well, DNA doesn't lie. People lie. DNA doesn't lie. 1001 01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:24,780 Pastor Anderson: Right! So people could say, "Hey, I'm Jewish," or "I'm not Jewish," 1002 01:24:24,780 --> 01:24:26,000 but the DNA... 1003 01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:30,900 Teresa Yates: DNA doesn't have an agenda. People have an agenda. People have reasons 1004 01:24:30,900 --> 01:24:35,130 to lie, and also they just might not know the truth. 1005 01:24:35,130 --> 01:24:38,610 Pastor Anderson: Sure, so it's not even that they're lying, it's just that they're mistaken. 1006 01:24:38,610 --> 01:24:42,960 Teresa Yates: They're just passing on mistaken information. 1007 01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:50,300 Dr. Donald Yates: 1 out of 15 Americans is adopted or has a parent that was adopted. 1008 01:24:50,300 --> 01:24:53,420 That's a pretty high number, too. 1009 01:24:53,420 --> 01:24:58,640 Pastor Anderson: Who can tell me all the people in your lineage that were adopted? "Oh yeah, 1010 01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:03,420 my ancestors 300 years ago were adopted." You're not going to remember that. So, there 1011 01:25:03,420 --> 01:25:08,520 are adoptions, there is infidelity, there is travelling, there is conquest, 1012 01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:11,140 there are merchants, there are missionaries. 1013 01:25:11,140 --> 01:25:15,780 Teresa Yates: Different people have different things that they wanted to hide, 1014 01:25:15,780 --> 01:25:21,300 and so they only tell you what they want you to hear. 1015 01:25:21,300 --> 01:25:25,800 Pastor Anderson: It doesn't matter where you're from, folks. Do you know why God said to avoid 1016 01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:36,300 this? Because it hurts your mind to even think about this number! These numbers bend the 1017 01:25:36,300 --> 01:25:44,920 mind! Just avoid it. Avoid endless genealogies. They minister questions. Does this make you 1018 01:25:44,929 --> 01:25:51,929 feel really sure about your nationality now? No, it raises a lot of questions. 1019 01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:59,100 What do you think about somebody going down to the DNA lab and getting their DNA tested, 1020 01:25:59,100 --> 01:26:02,489 and it comes back and says, "You have these Jewish ancestors." 1021 01:26:02,489 --> 01:26:04,719 Rabbi Wiener: I have no quarrel with them. 1022 01:26:04,719 --> 01:26:06,480 Pastor Anderson: Would you accept that? 1023 01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:07,429 Rabbi Wiener: Absolutely. 1024 01:26:07,429 --> 01:26:11,310 Pastor Anderson: It is so possible because they were so scattered. 1025 01:26:11,310 --> 01:26:14,510 Rabbi Wiener: Yeah, I would never argue with it. 1026 01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:19,380 Pastor Anderson: The director of this film, Paul Wittenberger, and I are just a couple 1027 01:26:19,390 --> 01:26:24,020 of white guys. We've never been told that we're Jewish or have any Jewish ancestors, 1028 01:26:24,020 --> 01:26:27,840 but we're going to go down and get our DNA tested and just find out if we do. 1029 01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:34,840 Lab Technician: We match your DNA profile against over 400 population groups worldwide, 1030 01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:41,960 and we present you with the top 50, and for ancestral DNA, we don't have to get thumbprints. 1031 01:26:42,440 --> 01:26:48,480 There is not a legal document, so that's all we need: the swab and the name. 1032 01:26:48,480 --> 01:26:53,980 So these will go out tonight. We should get results back in about 3-4 weeks. 1033 01:26:53,989 --> 01:26:58,469 Pastor Anderson: A few weeks later Paul and I got our results back, and just like they said, 1034 01:26:58,469 --> 01:27:01,500 we were a mixture of a whole bunch of different nationalities. We had everything 1035 01:27:01,500 --> 01:27:07,320 from Arab to Brazilian, Native American, and there were a lot of things on there that were 1036 01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:12,360 a big surprise. And sure enough, when we looked at our deep ancestry, which goes back further 1037 01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:18,760 than the top 50, we both had markers for Jewish DNA, so I figured I'd get my grandma's DNA 1038 01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:28,240 tested to see if Jewish made it into her top 50. We tested my grandma. She is 94 years 1039 01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:32,340 old, and we wanted to swab her while she is still with us. 1040 01:27:32,350 --> 01:27:34,110 Teresa Yates: Oh, yes, that's very important. 1041 01:27:34,110 --> 01:27:38,690 Pastor Anderson: So, we got it. All right, grandma's results are in. Let's check them 1042 01:27:38,690 --> 01:27:43,590 out. All right, let's see her top 50 first of all. Number 1 - 1043 01:27:43,590 --> 01:27:46,900 Ashkenazi Jew - number 1. 1044 01:27:46,900 --> 01:27:48,000 Paul Wittenberger: No way! 1045 01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:52,020 Pastor Anderson: So that explains why it was in my deep ancestry because it's her #1 1046 01:27:52,030 --> 01:27:59,030 of her 50 nationalities. And her #1 result was Hungarian Ashkenazi Jew, 1047 01:27:59,030 --> 01:28:02,460 so her #1 result was Ashkenazi Jewish. 1048 01:28:02,460 --> 01:28:08,880 Teresa Yates: Wow! Well, with DNA Consultants, we've done this for many, many years. I haven't 1049 01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:15,440 seen that very often, and every report, like I'm saying, is unique. People are like, "Oh, 1050 01:28:15,440 --> 01:28:19,420 it's probably very general." No. Everybody's very unique. 1051 01:28:19,420 --> 01:28:23,900 I don't know when I've seen #1 Ashkenazi. 1052 01:28:23,900 --> 01:28:25,680 Pastor Anderson: Really? Cool! 1053 01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:28,080 Teresa Yates: Maybe 3 or 5 times. 1054 01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:29,180 Pastor Anderson: So, let me ask you this... 1055 01:28:29,180 --> 01:28:30,159 Teresa Yates: That is very rare. 1056 01:28:30,159 --> 01:28:33,479 Pastor Anderson: So if grandma's DNA had #1 Ashkenazi, 1057 01:28:33,480 --> 01:28:35,200 is there any doubt that she is an Ashkenazi Jew? 1058 01:28:35,219 --> 01:28:35,800 Teresa Yates: No. 1059 01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:38,390 Pastor Anderson: And if she is my grandmother, then what does that make me? 1060 01:28:38,390 --> 01:28:39,290 Teresa Yates: You're Jewish. 1061 01:28:39,290 --> 01:28:40,130 Pastor Anderson: So I'm Jewish? 1062 01:28:40,130 --> 01:28:43,000 Teresa Yates: You don't have to accept the religion. 1063 01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:44,980 Pastor Anderson: Right, but I mean ethnically speaking... 1064 01:28:44,980 --> 01:28:46,860 Teresa Yates: Ethnically you are. 1065 01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:49,420 Pastor Anderson: So you've now pronounced me... 1066 01:28:49,420 --> 01:28:52,060 Teresa Yates: I now pronounce you Jewish! 1067 01:28:52,060 --> 01:28:54,280 (laughter) 1068 01:28:56,740 --> 01:29:04,740 Pastor Coleman: Is that really what it all boils down to? Good night! DNA? Are you kidding me? 1069 01:29:04,740 --> 01:29:09,080 What about Jesus? What about faith in Christ? How in the world can God's people 1070 01:29:09,090 --> 01:29:11,440 be determined by DNA? 1071 01:29:11,440 --> 01:29:15,580 Pastor Berzins: Look, it doesn't matter what our genealogy says. It doesn't matter what 1072 01:29:15,580 --> 01:29:20,969 our DNA results are. None of that is even important. The only thing that really matters 1073 01:29:20,969 --> 01:29:24,920 is that we are a child of God through faith in Jesus Christ. 1074 01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:28,680 Pastor Coleman: And I found so much proof that Israel over there is not the Israel that 1075 01:29:28,690 --> 01:29:33,370 God is talking about. We who have believed in God, who have the faith of Abraham, 1076 01:29:33,370 --> 01:29:35,820 we are the children of God. We are the seed of Abraham. 1077 01:29:35,820 --> 01:29:38,020 Pastor Romero: It says in Romans 9:7, 1078 01:29:38,020 --> 01:29:42,520 "Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall 1079 01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:48,739 thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the 1080 01:29:48,739 --> 01:29:53,799 children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed." 1081 01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:57,580 Pastor Romero: So the Bible says the children of the flesh, the physical children of Abraham, 1082 01:29:57,590 --> 01:30:02,090 Isaac, and Jacob - it specifically spells out and says 1083 01:30:02,090 --> 01:30:04,640 that they are not the children of God. 1084 01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:08,570 Pastor Berzins: In fact, in Galatians 3 it explains that we're the children of Abraham. 1085 01:30:08,570 --> 01:30:09,370 It says, 1086 01:30:09,370 --> 01:30:14,000 "Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham." 1087 01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:20,000 Texe Marrs: It's amazing to me though how Christians overlook Galatians 3. Now I'm almost 1088 01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:27,560 70 years old. I'm an old man, but I never, ever, ever heard a sermon on Galatians 3:29. 1089 01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:32,380 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male 1090 01:30:32,380 --> 01:30:39,010 nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's 1091 01:30:39,010 --> 01:30:41,580 seed, and heirs according to the promise." 1092 01:30:41,580 --> 01:30:48,580 Texe Marrs: Both of those are fantastic. Who is the heir to the promise? Whoever has Jesus! 1093 01:30:48,580 --> 01:30:50,820 Pastor Anderson: Ephesians 2:11 reads, 1094 01:30:50,820 --> 01:30:56,100 " Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called 1095 01:30:56,110 --> 01:31:00,990 Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 1096 01:31:00,990 --> 01:31:06,420 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and 1097 01:31:06,429 --> 01:31:11,289 strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 1098 01:31:11,289 --> 01:31:18,520 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ." 1099 01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:24,560 Verse 19: "Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens 1100 01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:27,440 with the saints, and of the household of God;" 1101 01:31:27,449 --> 01:31:32,920 Pastor Anderson: According to this scripture we are fellowcitizens of Israel because back 1102 01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:38,989 in verse 12 he said that when ye were without Christ, ye were aliens of Israel. You were 1103 01:31:38,989 --> 01:31:45,989 strangers and foreigners to Israel, but in verse 19 he says that now you are fellowcitizens 1104 01:31:45,989 --> 01:31:52,420 with the saints. So who is the true Israel? Is it some guy over in the Middle East who 1105 01:31:52,429 --> 01:31:58,280 doesn't even believe in Jesus and is worshiping Shekinah? Or is it the true believer of the 1106 01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:03,000 Lord Jesus Christ who has been grafted in and brought nigh unto Israel. 1107 01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:07,880 Texe Marrs: It's very simple. Jesus said in Matthew 21:43, 1108 01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:12,199 "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to 1109 01:32:12,199 --> 01:32:15,619 a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof." 1110 01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:22,480 Texe Marrs: Wow. They didn't bear fruits. They refused Jesus. They refused redemption. 1111 01:32:22,480 --> 01:32:29,370 They refused to recognize the deliverer of Zion: the very Christ Jesus! And Jesus said 1112 01:32:29,370 --> 01:32:34,140 that because of that, the kingdom is taken from you and given to another nation. 1113 01:32:34,140 --> 01:32:39,920 Well, what is that nation? Is it Syria? Is it America? Is it England? Is it Germany? No, no, no! 1114 01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:41,429 A spiritual nation! 1115 01:32:41,429 --> 01:32:48,429 "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; 1116 01:32:48,590 --> 01:32:54,020 that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light; 1117 01:32:54,020 --> 01:32:58,540 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: 1118 01:32:58,540 --> 01:33:02,740 which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy." 1119 01:33:02,740 --> 01:33:07,680 Pastor Anderson: The Bible is not a book about God blessing one nation. That's why God told 1120 01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:13,020 Abraham, "In thee shall all nations of the earth be blessed," and that blessing is through 1121 01:33:13,020 --> 01:33:16,900 Abraham's seed, the Lord Jesus Christ. 1122 01:33:16,900 --> 01:33:22,840 Pastor Furse: You know, the Bible says in Hebrews 11 that Abraham wasn't looking for 1123 01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:27,280 a physical land. He looked for a city which hath foundations 1124 01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:29,400 whose builder and maker is God. 1125 01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:32,659 Pastor Berzins: We as Christians are looking for a new Jerusalem. We're looking for a heavenly 1126 01:33:32,659 --> 01:33:36,130 city as Hebrews 11, the faith chapter, points out, 1127 01:33:36,130 --> 01:33:41,650 "But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed 1128 01:33:41,650 --> 01:33:44,940 to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city." 1129 01:33:44,940 --> 01:33:49,040 Pastor Berzins: God has prepared a city for us - a city that we can't find physically 1130 01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:52,520 on this earth because it is a heavenly city. It is something that God has prepared 1131 01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:54,620 for those who have faith in him. 1132 01:33:54,620 --> 01:33:58,820 Pastor Jimenez: When we're looking for Zion, and when we're looking for Jerusalem, 1133 01:33:58,830 --> 01:34:02,530 we're not looking for the one which now is. We're not looking for the one that we can touch. 1134 01:34:02,530 --> 01:34:07,170 We're not looking for the one that is spiritually Sodom and spiritually Egypt. 1135 01:34:07,170 --> 01:34:10,900 We're looking for the one that is heavenly - the one that is to come. 1136 01:34:10,900 --> 01:34:12,620 Pastor Anderson: The Bible says in Hebrews 12:22, 1137 01:34:12,630 --> 01:34:19,260 "But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, 1138 01:34:19,260 --> 01:34:21,380 and to an innumerable company of angels," 1139 01:34:21,380 --> 01:34:26,780 Pastor Anderson: So according to the New Testament, Zion is the heavenly Jerusalem, not the physical 1140 01:34:26,780 --> 01:34:32,160 Jerusalem that now is. The heavenly Jerusalem will descend down from Heaven. 1141 01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:36,060 That is our capital city. That is our Zion. 1142 01:34:36,060 --> 01:34:40,620 Pastor Coleman: And so, I'm Israel! Those people over there are not Israel. 1143 01:34:40,620 --> 01:34:46,360 That's why Paul said, "They are not all Israel, which are of Israel:" They may be of Israel genealogically 1144 01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:51,220 speaking, but they are not Israel as God counts it - what his original intent was - 1145 01:34:51,220 --> 01:34:53,820 a people that are a praise and a glory to him. 1146 01:34:53,830 --> 01:34:59,090 Pastor Anderson: We as Christians are the chosen people of God. We are the true Israel, 1147 01:34:59,090 --> 01:35:01,380 and we are marching to Zion. 1148 01:35:01,380 --> 01:35:06,120 Texe Marrs: The name of this video is Marching to Zion. We know that as a great title of 1149 01:35:06,120 --> 01:35:12,820 a Gospel song. It means marching with Jesus at the very head of the formation. 1150 01:35:12,820 --> 01:35:18,180 Pastor Coleman: We sing songs like, "We're marching to Zion." I love that song! I just 1151 01:35:18,190 --> 01:35:25,190 love it. "We're marching to Zion, beautiful, beautiful Zion. We're marching upward to Zion, 1152 01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:29,760 the beautiful city of God." It's the city of God. It sits on the sides of the north. 1153 01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:33,080 That's God's home, and one day he is going to bring it down to earth. It is going to 1154 01:35:33,080 --> 01:35:37,330 be on the earth. We are going to inherit the earth because we are God's people. We who 1155 01:35:37,330 --> 01:35:42,270 have believed in Christ are God's people. We are Israel. We are princes with God, and 1156 01:35:42,270 --> 01:35:45,620 we're going to reign with him forever. 1157 01:35:45,620 --> 01:35:51,140 Texe Marrs: I would love to see the Quran thrown away, destroyed, put in a bonfire, 1158 01:35:51,140 --> 01:35:56,880 not because I hate the Muslims. No! I would love for them to become Christians. I would 1159 01:35:56,880 --> 01:36:03,500 love to see the Talmud and all its 36 volumes - oh, what a bonfire we could have with that! 1160 01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:12,620 As a Christian, I say, let these books exist. Let the Quran exist. Let the Talmud exist 1161 01:36:13,060 --> 01:36:17,980 because if people read those, and then they read the New Testament, 1162 01:36:17,980 --> 01:36:22,740 you must come to the conclusion that Jesus Christ is Lord.